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06-25-2019, 08:40 AM

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The biggest change to pool over time (I have been playing since I was 7, now 45), is there is a lot less people playing pool today in the U.S. Pro pool has nothing to do with it really. Pro pool just rode on it's back.

To a lesser extent, and of course my opinion, pool is quite boring to watch today. You could take the mics away from just about any pro tournament today (just have video) and not miss much at all. Personality. People like to watch a good personality. There is a reason Fats and Mosconi were the most watched match in pool history, and it was not Fat's pool game.

To add, Safety play has been the biggest change to the actual play. It slows the game down, and is not much fun to watch for a spectator.

I love to watch players escape safeties. It's an art, and a skill. I think mature players / spectators appreciate its importance. It may be an example of a generational gap.


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06-25-2019, 09:21 AM

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I’ve played that way....and, as SJM reminded, $ on the 5-ball also....
...money balls were spotted till made in order.
When I first began playing 9ball for $$$ it was 5 and 9. Sometimes even 5 *7* and 9. It could get confusing!




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06-25-2019, 09:31 AM

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Back in my day.....

You could walk into any good sized pool hall and find a ring game you could jump into.

The equipment favored better players, and knowledge was protected.

Most of us smoked, and would lay our cigarettes on the rail.

Some rooms you had to make sure the house man wasnt looking if you needed to jack up to curve the ball. If you jumped, you were tossed.

There were no computer time keepers. Mechanical ones only, and thats only if the pool hall was "big time". Lots of places kept time on little slips of paper.

Some rooms you would walk into, and face a proverbial 'murderers row', a line of guys licking their chops looking for action.

When times were slow, prop bets reigned supreme.


We used to bet on who could run out the front door first. We would be sitting on the bench at the back wall by the golf table. "GO!". One of the guys I used to do it with doesn't even remember it anymore. I mentioned it to him a few months ago. He gave me a blank stare... In his favor, though, it's been almost 50 years. We were probably 16 or 17... and we did it a bunch of times. Or who could throw a rock farthest. That was a big one on slow days...




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06-25-2019, 09:56 AM

In the rotation games, I see more players using open bridges. I feel this is due to the required accuracy on tighter tables. It could also simply be more Europeans in the big tournaments who have snooker backgrounds. Either way, I do notice that difference.


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06-25-2019, 10:14 AM

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Back in my day.....

You could walk into any good sized pool hall and find a ring game you could jump into.

The equipment favored better players, and knowledge was protected.

Most of us smoked, and would lay our cigarettes on the rail.

Some rooms you had to make sure the house man wasnt looking if you needed to jack up to curve the ball. If you jumped, you were tossed.

There were no computer time keepers. Mechanical ones only, and thats only if the pool hall was "big time". Lots of places kept time on little slips of paper.

Some rooms you would walk into, and face a proverbial 'murderers row', a line of guys licking their chops looking for action.

When times were slow, prop bets reigned supreme.

Back in my day, “knowledge was protected “

In the early 70’s there was not a lot of pool knowledge, My first books were Mosconi Red Book and a Hoppe book. Snooker was big and there were some good books if you happened to travel through London.

In the 80’s a lot of good books were published and soon after VHS of matches and instruction.

In the Chicago area we had some great pro tournaments in the early 90’s, thanks to Williard.

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06-25-2019, 10:58 AM

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I talked to Ralf Soquet about this when he did a lesson in my area because I was curious about the changes and also the players.

His thoughts, like mine, was that the current players are stronger as a group than the players from his era (80s, 90s, early 2000s).

Part of that was due to a bit tougher equipment (faster cloth is easier but they tended to play on much larger pockets in many events) so they learned to pocket balls on tougher shots, and more paying attention to details like racking and breaking. There is also more technical knowledge about equipment and how to play available. There were no pool schools in Europe and Asia churning out young kids that were taught like the snooker schools do, where they do tons of drills and focus on mechanics. This lead to many good players that are just solid players, maybe not the most creative or fun to watch, but they hardly miss and play textbook position.
Was this a few months back when Roy set that group class up?
  
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06-25-2019, 11:55 AM

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The biggest difference ive noticed is there are more crybabies today vs "anytime".
Well, people want to win.
Still, I know there were "crybabies" back even before the amplification happened with Sigel snapping his cue, Mosconi cursing, and a few more outbursts. BUT, I saw it much more when Strickland went "full tilt" on his many instances. THAT is when I got sick of that crap...
  
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06-25-2019, 01:03 PM

This is somewhat insignificant for most but I don’t remember any other color but green cloth on a table years ago.Maybe a home table but not at the halls. I did not travel the country so my knowledge on this is limited I suppose.
This doesn't actually have anything to do with how pool has changed but
I have had guys tell me that blue cloth or any other color than green, will throw their game off. Psychological thing I guess. Or they are just looking for an excuse.


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06-25-2019, 02:46 PM

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What ever became of $1 on the five and $2 on the nine? Ah, those were the days.
we played $1 or 5 and 7, $2 on 9
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06-25-2019, 02:49 PM

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but does the way players actually play the game today differ much from the way players used to play?
When I was learning,
a) tournaments were 14.1
b) gambling was: push out 9 ball $1 on 5 and 7 $2 on 9
c) bangers were 8-ball.
  
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06-25-2019, 03:24 PM

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Easily in the last 20-30 years the biggest change beyond the equipment is in one pocket.

While in the past an occasional 8 and out, now it is a common. I can remember the "Chicago Style" one pocket where you lucky if you got a shot every other week.

Ken
One pocket has become much more aggressive at the professional level as new pro's have gotten better at banks and position. They open the rack earlier and play run outs that were unheard of 20 years ago.

It's exciting and includes all the great strategy as before - just at a much higher level. I don't know who first broke the new game open but Tony Chohan is an excellent example of the new style.
  
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06-25-2019, 03:28 PM

8 ball on a 9 foot table has become pointless. Every pro is favored to get out on any open break. Bar table 8 ball remains interesting since there's usually 1 or 2 clusters that need to be promoted.
  
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06-25-2019, 03:45 PM

Less rooms, less action, less 9 foot tables, allot fewer players and more bar boxes than regulation tables, thus to society it's more of a Game than a true sport.

I think tho, with the way the cost of living is going, it will make a comeback, because it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to expensive to play golf attend other venues and America's middle class is not nearly a$ affluent as in the past. It's more like, the have's and the have-nots.

The major factor, is cost per square foot of commercial buildings and heating, insurance and on and on.


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More 1 pocket, less gambling, less rooms, and of course leagues.
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Less rooms, less action, less 9 foot tables, allot fewer players and more bar boxes than regulation tables, thus to society it's more of a Game than a true sport.

I think tho, with the way the cost of living is going, it will make a comeback, because it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to expensive to play golf attend other venues and America's middle class is not nearly a$ affluent as in the past. It's more like, the have's and the have-nots.





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^^^^^^^^ That in itself is the number one reason pool sucks today.

When pool was a dime a rack for 9 ball or 65 cents a hour.... well, you could actually get people to play 5 and 9 ring games etc...etc from opening till closing at most every room I went to.

At the same time, there would be a game of snooker or odd ball being played on one of the snooker tables up front, not to mention, there would be a game of poker pool or 1hole or banks on the back tables constantly. Sometimes head up but, most of the time it would 4 or more player on each table other than 1hole.

Also, we didn't rack our own balls. The room supplied a rack man for every game if playing by the rack.

Also, the balls, tables everything was clean and in good shape....

Yep, the days when rooms actually could afford to cater to pool players and not "drunks".

Yet another part of history that I miss.

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