Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Instruction & Ask the pros > Ask The Instructor
Reload this Page Right Handed - Left Eye Dominate
Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
Right Handed - Left Eye Dominate
Old
  (#1)
gtaylor
AzB Silver Member
gtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond repute
 
gtaylor's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Denver, CO
  Send a message via AIM to gtaylor  
Right Handed - Left Eye Dominate - 10-25-2014, 08:55 PM

Hey guys I am in a pickle

All year, I have been seeing great improvement in my game. I am almost to the point were i can beat the ghost on a 4 1/8 in diamond table.

However, About 3 weeks ago I woke up and I can't shoot a ball straight in anymore. Now I am right handed left eye dominate and I have noticed that as i come through my forward stroke my right hand is swinging closer to my body and then out. Kinda like a C pattern or "inside out". That said I am constantly putting right hand english on the ball and a pretty significant amount of it too.

To make things more interesting, if i know if I have to spin a ball down a rail or where any 4:30 or 7:30 english is needed, I split the wickets. But anything that needs middle ball or just a half tip to a tip is fired straight into the rails.

Any thoughts on getting back in line. I have done the "shoot balls straight in the pocket drills with limited success as when i focus on it i can do 15 straight from the say the spot...but when i back it up and shoot it long say from the second diamond to a ball about middle table its less than 20%....

a month a go i could do 2 straight sets of racks of this shot without missing... HELP!!


Greg


Greg Taylor
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#2)
FranCrimi
AzB Silver Member
FranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond reputeFranCrimi has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,720
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Dec 2010
   
10-26-2014, 06:11 AM

I have some thoughts.

Get rid of your avatar and show some respect for the women who post here and the children who read here.

You must have domination on your mind. The word is 'dominant,' not 'dominate.'

Last edited by FranCrimi; 10-26-2014 at 06:15 AM.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#3)
gtaylor
AzB Silver Member
gtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond repute
 
gtaylor's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Denver, CO
  Send a message via AIM to gtaylor  
10-26-2014, 07:54 AM

Better Fran?

You were the first to complain about it as that photoshoot was actually from a billiard theme spread that, when compared to other avatars here, was quite tasteful.

There were no breasts or other naughty parts... It just showed off back dimples.

Yes the auto correct got me on dominate vs dominant


Greg Taylor
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#4)
Allen Brown
Pool Whale
Allen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond reputeAllen Brown has a reputation beyond repute
 
Allen Brown's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 5,586
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Alabama
   
10-26-2014, 07:59 AM

Ill be piggy backing off of your thread. Im starting to think my eyes are getting worse and my left eye is becoming dominant.

I hope you get help soon.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#5)
randyg
www.randygpool.com
randyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond repute
 
randyg's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 5,396
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Dallas, Texas
   
10-26-2014, 08:15 AM

Greg

Try aiming with both eyes again.

Way too much is placed on the "master eye".

Our eyes work together. They triangulate into one image.

randyg


Original P.B.I.A Master Instructor
Proud Member of the SPF Family
Co-author of World/BCA Rules
Co-author of Texas Express Rules
Originator of Scotch Doubles
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#6)
gtaylor
AzB Silver Member
gtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond repute
 
gtaylor's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Denver, CO
  Send a message via AIM to gtaylor  
10-26-2014, 08:31 AM

randy

I did notice this when i did the 1 eye thumb cover drill as neither eye covers the distant object

I am starting to think its much more stance and cue delivery... b/c if i try and aim with only 1 eye, by covering the other...they are boy wonky


Greg Taylor
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#7)
dougster26
AzB Silver Member
dougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond reputedougster26 has a reputation beyond repute
 
dougster26's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 915
vCash: 500
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Maine
   
10-26-2014, 09:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by randyg View Post
Greg

Try aiming with both eyes again.

Way too much is placed on the "master eye".

Our eyes work together. They triangulate into one image.

randyg
I'm right handed and left eye dominant. I got off on a tangent trying to favor my left eye. It basically screwed me up until I went back to aiming with both eyes. I think too much emphasis is placed on this and I agree with you whole heartedly.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#8)
bbb
AzB Silver Member

bbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond reputebbb has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 6,694
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 38 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Mar 2008
   
10-26-2014, 09:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by randyg View Post
Greg

Try aiming with both eyes again.

Way too much is placed on the "master eye".

Our eyes work together. They triangulate into one image.

randyg
do you beleive in "vision center"
ie a head position over the cue where a straight line is seen as straight??
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threa...#vision_center
ununtentional side spin COULD be from your head position being off your vision center
if you beleive that theory
your thoughts randy
or any other instructor
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#9)
ENGLISH!
Banned
ENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 19,489
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Jun 2012
   
10-26-2014, 10:31 AM

I'm not an instructor & I'm just trying to help based on my personal experiences.

I recently went through a short time where I was overcutting shots to the left. I am right handed & right eye dominant. Like bbb/Larry suggested
my head had somehow moved to the right & I was not seeing the straight line correctly. I played around with closing my left eye after setting up & making the adjustment & then open the eye & 'see' it before shooting. I think it gradually got me back on line.

I also recently went through a similar thing where I was putting a couple of hairs of right hand english on the CB on the few times that I wanted to hit on the center line. I traced that back to my grip hand. I was snatching the cue a bit & could not stop doing it consistently. I took my ring & pinky finger & actually put them on top of the cue so I was in essence only using my forefinger & middle finger. This worked for awhile but the problem would pop up from time to time. I then went back to a 'full' grip but with a much firmer connection to the cue (I don't think this is conventionally taught but suggested by CJ Wiley) & the problem has been solved. Doing that did change the 'trajectory' of my stroke though.

I don't use a pendulum stroke & I am obviously not a certified instructor so take anything I've said as you will or even throw it ALL away if you wish. I was merely trying to show what can happen & how it might be self corrected. Sometimes a band aid approach can lead one to a more permanent fix. But...better yet go see Fran or someone else as qualified as she is.

Good Luck with finding your solution.
Rick
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#10)
gtaylor
AzB Silver Member
gtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond reputegtaylor has a reputation beyond repute
 
gtaylor's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 459
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 20 / 100%
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Denver, CO
  Send a message via AIM to gtaylor  
10-26-2014, 02:20 PM

Ok here is video 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_NFxTQgnM


Here is video 2 - first stroke is original for reference


http://youtu.be/-L5Zp3Rx778



Thoughts after watching


I definitely do not take the cue back during the backstroke on a straight line sometimes. It's wobbly about 30% of the time. If I stand and get back down and focus on straight back straight through this fixes it 99 % of the time

So question is now: is the wobbly delivery stance related ?



NOTE: video 3 a hybrid that's comfy for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XON-uxBt5U



Thanks a ton guys


Greg


Greg Taylor
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#11)
randyg
www.randygpool.com
randyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond reputerandyg has a reputation beyond repute
 
randyg's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 5,396
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Dallas, Texas
   
10-27-2014, 02:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbb View Post
do you beleive in "vision center"
ie a head position over the cue where a straight line is seen as straight??
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threa...#vision_center
ununtentional side spin COULD be from your head position being off your vision center
if you beleive that theory
your thoughts randy
or any other instructor
YES!

We all have a "vision center". Most of us are different so one shoe doesn't fit every one.

I don't think the Master Eye has much to do with our aiming. I think that finding a straight line is very important. There are many drills out there to find your personal "vision center".

randyg


Original P.B.I.A Master Instructor
Proud Member of the SPF Family
Co-author of World/BCA Rules
Co-author of Texas Express Rules
Originator of Scotch Doubles
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#12)
Scott Lee
AzB Silver Member

Scott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond reputeScott Lee has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 15,920
vCash: 4100
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Now living in Largo FL
   
10-27-2014, 09:27 PM

Randy is right, Larry! Mother Drill 4 is perfect for finding how we "perceive" a straight line, and then, more importantly, whether we have the physical skill to deliver the cuestick into the straight line that our brain and eyes perceive! Whitey doesn't lie!

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Quote:
Originally Posted by randyg View Post
YES!

We all have a "vision center". Most of us are different so one shoe doesn't fit every one.

I don't think the Master Eye has much to do with our aiming. I think that finding a straight line is very important. There are many drills out there to find your personal "vision center".

randyg


PBIA Master Instructor
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#13)
BeiberLvr
AzB Silver Member
BeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond reputeBeiberLvr has a reputation beyond repute
 
BeiberLvr's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 7,821
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Florida
   
10-28-2014, 03:44 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ENGLISH! View Post
I'm not an instructor & I'm just trying to help based on my personal experiences.

I recently went through a short time where I was overcutting shots to the left. I am right handed & right eye dominant. Like bbb/Larry suggested
my head had somehow moved to the right & I was not seeing the straight line correctly. I played around with closing my left eye after setting up & making the adjustment & then open the eye & 'see' it before shooting. I think it gradually got me back on line.

I also recently went through a similar thing where I was putting a couple of hairs of right hand english on the CB on the few times that I wanted to hit on the center line. I traced that back to my grip hand. I was snatching the cue a bit & could not stop doing it consistently. I took my ring & pinky finger & actually put them on top of the cue so I was in essence only using my forefinger & middle finger. This worked for awhile but the problem would pop up from time to time. I then went back to a 'full' grip but with a much firmer connection to the cue (I don't think this is conventionally taught but suggested by CJ Wiley) & the problem has been solved. Doing that did change the 'trajectory' of my stroke though.

I don't use a pendulum stroke & I am obviously not a certified instructor so take anything I've said as you will or even throw it ALL away if you wish. I was merely trying to show what can happen & how it might be self corrected. Sometimes a band aid approach can lead one to a more permanent fix. But...better yet go see Fran or someone else as qualified as she is.

Good Luck with finding your solution.
Rick
Thanks for the reminder, but what does that have to do with this thread?
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#14)
Mikjary
Just chillin'
Mikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond reputeMikjary has a reputation beyond repute
 
Mikjary's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 3,538
vCash: 2300
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Non-Resilient City
   
10-28-2014, 05:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ENGLISH! View Post
I'm not an instructor & I'm just trying to help based on my personal experiences.

I recently went through a short time where I was overcutting shots to the left. I am right handed & right eye dominant. Like bbb/Larry suggested
my head had somehow moved to the right & I was not seeing the straight line correctly. I played around with closing my left eye after setting up & making the adjustment & then open the eye & 'see' it before shooting. I think it gradually got me back on line.

I also recently went through a similar thing where I was putting a couple of hairs of right hand english on the CB on the few times that I wanted to hit on the center line. I traced that back to my grip hand. I was snatching the cue a bit & could not stop doing it consistently. I took my ring & pinky finger & actually put them on top of the cue so I was in essence only using my forefinger & middle finger. This worked for awhile but the problem would pop up from time to time. I then went back to a 'full' grip but with a much firmer connection to the cue (I don't think this is conventionally taught but suggested by CJ Wiley) & the problem has been solved. Doing that did change the 'trajectory' of my stroke though.

I don't use a pendulum stroke & I am obviously not a certified instructor so take anything I've said as you will or even throw it ALL away if you wish. I was merely trying to show what can happen & how it might be self corrected. Sometimes a band aid approach can lead one to a more permanent fix. But...better yet go see Fran or someone else as qualified as she is.

Good Luck with finding your solution.
Rick
Hey, Rick. Whenever I start to put a little unwanted spin on the cue ball, I step back and look at my head position, too. When it's right, everything else is straight.

Best,
Mike
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#15)
ENGLISH!
Banned
ENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond reputeENGLISH! has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 19,489
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Jun 2012
   
10-28-2014, 11:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikjary View Post
Hey, Rick. Whenever I start to put a little unwanted spin on the cue ball, I step back and look at my head position, too. When it's right, everything else is straight.

Best,
Mike
Thanks Mike. I hope you have been well. I know for me that I AM right eye dominant & that IS my 'vision center' even though I have a significant astigmatism in it. I guess that might be why my left eye sometimes tries to help even though it is actually hurting my game. If I could make a switch to my left eye ALL at once it might be a good thing but I doubt that that is ever going to happen.

Maybe everyone that is having problems 'with their stroke' or 'aiming' should go to the eye doctor & they might find the root cause of their problems. The human mind & body can do amazing things when there are no roadblocks & even when there are if one knows about them.

Well, I'm off to try & stay 'tuned' as I finished in 1st. in my in house money league & playoffs start Thursday. I've already spent too much time here today....

Best Wishes & Stay Well,
Rick
  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.