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08-20-2019, 08:16 PM

All it takes is a little adjustment to go between a LD and regular maple shaft...both are great for their own reasons. Depends on my mood...sometimes I prefer one over the other.

Also keep in mind that not all LD shafts are built the same--seems like majority use laminated pieces of wood glued to form a 'perfect radial construction' (bunch of b.s. hooplah to me, as having "our most radially accurate shaft ever!" doesn't really make a difference--I seem to favor LD shafts that are still one piece of wood, even if they might hollow out or lighten front-end mass towards the tip.

To the original poster -- are you looking to purchase a new cue or shaft? If so, I would have many recommendations based on your price range and specifications.

My favorite cue brands: Mezz, Meucci, Schon, McDermott, Joss, Viking, Pechauer, Lucasi, Players/Pure-X

If we are just talking LD shafts (for brands not mentioned above), I'd look to: OB, Bob Daniels SS360, Predator, Jacoby

This is all person preference. Hope you find what you are looking for.


  
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08-24-2019, 10:15 PM

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Squirt is useful!!

eliminating it leaves a huge gap in your game
The cueball will get to and hit the same spot of the ball with LD or standard shaft. You need to hit the same spot to make the ball, the difference in shafts is how much you need to compensate for the cueball going off the line with side-spin.

What a standard shaft may help with is getting around a ball in the way, since it curves to the target more, it can get around that ball. They are also much better at jumping. But LD shafts are better at getting spin on the ball with less force. I've done several tests with a friend, we all got more spin with an LD shaft (we tried 3-4 shafts of each type with different tips). In summary we had one layer tip with standard shaft as least spin, LD shaft with layered tip at most spin.


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08-25-2019, 07:50 AM

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Squirt is useful!!
What can you do with squirt that you can't do by simply aiming a little differently?

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08-25-2019, 07:56 AM

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The idea that cue ball squirt or deflection is inherently bad and must be engineered out of the game is silly. Ld shafts do not make any of this easier, they simply make the calculations needed to adjust different.
I think they make aiming easier by reducing the size of aiming adjustment estimates that need to be made for squirt. It's easier to be more accurate with a smaller estimate.

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Ld shafts do not spin the ball easier or better.
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08-25-2019, 08:10 AM

Get a CA$H ferruleless shaft, if you can buy one.


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08-25-2019, 08:38 AM

LD, deflection, squirt, low mass tips..............

these are all buzz words to capture those that are looking for the magic elixir to make them shoot better......................

HOT TIP......... none of these make you shoot better ....... they do make you shoot differently..............

if you buy onto these gimmicks..... you just don't practice enough or correctly.........


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08-25-2019, 09:06 AM

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LD, deflection, squirt, low mass tips..............

none of these make you shoot better ......
Not by themselves - but they can make learning to shoot better easier for some.

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08-25-2019, 09:31 AM

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Not by themselves - but they can make learning to shoot better easier for some.

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Agree 100%. If you can use english and not have to adjust aim as much how is that not a good thing? If you've hit-a-million-balls with a solid shaft sure you've learned to adjust but with ld the adjustment is far less, especially for beginners or those that don't get to play a lot. LOTS of pros won't play with anything but ld.
  
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08-25-2019, 09:40 AM

Tiger is another US company that makes LD shafts.


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U.S. LD shaft makers..... - 08-25-2019, 09:44 AM

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Tiger is another US company that makes LD shafts.
Tiger,Jacoby,Pechauer,JOSS,OB, McDermott,Viking and Bob Danielson are all American-made LD shaft makers. Predator REVO's are made here also.
  
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08-25-2019, 09:50 AM

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What can you do with squirt that you can't do by simply aiming a little differently?

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squirt is a minor masse effect useful for getting around the edges of balls.

where are all the LD masse cues??? there aren't any because LD is garbage to masse with..in fact deflection is critical in making masse work

so there must be a tipping point where LD becomes more of a hindrance than a help.


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08-25-2019, 09:57 AM

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squirt is a minor masse effect useful for getting around the edges of balls.
..in fact deflection is critical in making masse work
Masse is when the CB curves. Squirt doesn't cause CB curve; it only changes the direction you need to aim the CB. You could masse just as easily without any squirt (if that was possible) by simply aiming the CB where squirt would have taken it.

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there must be a tipping point where LD becomes more of a hindrance than a help.
Squirt can be helpful (but not necessary) in limited cases. For instance, when the squirt pivot point on your shaft is near where you bridge, then using backhand english can be an easier way for some to estimate aim compensation when using sidespin.

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08-25-2019, 09:57 AM

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squirt is a minor masse effect useful for getting around the edges of balls.

where are all the LD masse cues??? there aren't any because LD is garbage to masse with..in fact deflection is critical in making masse work

so there must be a tipping point where LD becomes more of a hindrance than a help.
You can hit elevate and hit almost every type of masse that comes up in pool with an LD shaft. They aren't "NO deflection", just less. You can still go around balls.
  
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You can hit elevate and hit almost every type of masse that comes up in pool with an LD shaft. They aren't "NO deflection", just less. You can still go around balls.
My shaft does it easily so easy in fact that beginners do it by accident and miss... I aspire to master that part of the game.. not run from it


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08-25-2019, 10:59 AM

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My shaft does it easily so easy in fact that beginners do it by accident and miss... I aspire to master that part of the game.. not run from it
Well, yes, but mastering soft swerve shots and masses has almost nothing to do with the squirt of the cue you are using. I don't see where running from anything is involved with either kind of shaft.


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