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Who won the most $$$? - 07-27-2019, 08:24 AM

Ok, now I know this will be up for interpretation due to inflation ( if Lassiter won 170,000 back then, it would be 800,000 now, etc ), but all that being equal, who won the most cheese, gambling only, over the entire course of their "career". There's a TON of candidates. Who won the most?




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07-27-2019, 08:56 AM

As you said, from 1942-48, Lassiter won 300,000 gambling at pool. That's 50,000 a year. Back then, that would have bought you about 40 new cars per year or, if you prefer, a pretty big house every year.

Still, I think it's safe to say that guys like Bucktooth and Jack Cooney won a whole lot more than that. What they did, however, can't be done anymore. Staying under the radar is near impossible in the internet era.

My guess is that the answer is Jack Cooney. That whole "Detroit gang" in the 1980-1995 period may have been the biggest action players of all time,and the stars of the Detroit scene, arguably, were the most successful ever gamblers at pool.

My favorite Jack Cooney story is from the night he was inducted into the one-pocket hall of fame just a few years ago. George Breedlove, a prolific and successful road warrior of pool who'd have been well aware of Cooney, attended Jack's induction. I saw George later that evening and he said to me "I never knew until tonight what he looked like." Now that's under the radar!

No wonder Cooney made so much money. Of course, noone knows how much he made.
  
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07-27-2019, 09:02 AM

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As you said, from 1942-48, Lassiter won 300,000 gambling at pool. That's 50,000 a year. Back then, that would have bought you about 40 new cars per year or, if you prefer, a pretty big house every year.

Still, I think it's safe to say that guys like Bucktooth and Jack Cooney won a whole lot more than that. What they did, however, can't be done anymore. Staying under the radar is near impossible in the internet era.

My guess is that the answer is Jack Cooney. That whole "Detroit gang" in the 1980-1995 period may have been the biggest action players of all time,and the stars of the Detroit scene, arguably, were the most successful ever gamblers at pool.

My favorite Jack Cooney story is from the night he was inducted into the one-pocket hall of fame just a few years ago. George Breedlove, a prolific and successful road warrior of pool who'd have been well aware of Cooney, attended Jack's induction. I saw George later that evening and he said to me "I never knew until tonight what he looked like." Now that's under the radar!

No wonder Cooney made so much money. Of course, noone knows how much he made.
As you said, Stu, "under the radar". I think it's still possible but very very rare. If someone NEVER shows their face at tournaments or any other "public" function then yeah, I think it's possible. But with smart phones these days and instant media, it would be almost impossible, even staying only in raggedy pool rooms and bars.

That was half the fun of it back in the day. Trying to figure out whole well someone played, without having ever seen them and having NO idea who they might be.




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07-27-2019, 09:14 AM

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...from 1942-48, Lassiter won 300,000 gambling at pool.

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Of course, noone knows how much [Cooney] made.
How do we know how much any of them, including Lassiter, made?

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07-27-2019, 09:15 AM

it would have to be a regular winner at the rack during its glory days
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07-27-2019, 09:17 AM

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How do we know how much any of them, including Lassiter, made?

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Hear-say, I would guess, PJ. Defintiely wasn't in any newspapers, etc.




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it would have to be a regular winner at the rack during its glory days
especially if they played paul brusilov on a regular basis
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07-27-2019, 10:13 AM

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It's mentioned on Wikipedia, in the section called "Hustler Days".

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07-27-2019, 02:44 PM

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It's mentioned on Wikipedia, in the section called "Hustler Days".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Lassiter
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07-27-2019, 03:07 PM

I don't know how much, but CJ Wiley won quite a bit gambling.

I would imagine Fats won quite a bit, also.
  
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07-27-2019, 03:23 PM

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I don't know how much, but CJ Wiley won quite a bit gambling.

I would imagine Fats won quite a bit, also.
I think CJ was more successful than most...he did something with his dough.

Pretty tough to evaluate pool playerís winnings...
..I watched Marvin Henderson win $100,000 one night...being backed...
...his end was $10,000.


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I think CJ was more successful than most...he did something with his dough.

Pretty tough to evaluate pool playerís winnings...
..I watched Marvin Henderson win $100,000 one night...being backed...
...his end was $10,000.
Wow... I think I would've wanted a bit more of the split. Yeah, I'm not risking a dime. But 10%? Hmmm...

10K does sound nice, though!




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07-27-2019, 03:34 PM

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I don't know how much, but CJ Wiley won quite a bit gambling.

I would imagine Fats won quite a bit, also.
Fatty's who I was thinking, H.E.. But then I was thinking of all the action in Detroit and figured, probably, someone who was centered there won more. But, no records of that stuff were ever kept. It's all hear-say. But that's kinda what makes it so good to hear about. The story aspect of it.




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07-27-2019, 03:40 PM

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I don't know how much, but CJ Wiley won quite a bit gambling.

I would imagine Fats won quite a bit, also.
C.J. stopped in Clearwater and came in the room every day for a few months. ( I believe ) he was setting up a game with Bubba ( this was late 70s or early 80s? ). And if I remember correctly, they finally matched up but I don't think C.J. actually got him for much, relatively. If C.J. is reading this, Family Billiards in Clw, correct me if I'm wrong about you matching up with Bubba.




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07-27-2019, 04:01 PM

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Wow... I think I would've wanted a bit more of the split. Yeah, I'm not risking a dime. But 10%? Hmmm...

10K does sound nice, though!
They had some monster action in Baton Rouge for awhile...
..some players were playing for as low as 2.5%.
...the money was big enough that players still played...basically a commercial real estate
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