Yeah i agree hu,and i also think johnny broke the 9 ball rack about as good as anybody in the 90,s( everybody knows shane is a great breaker,but PLEASE do not think johnny was weak,lol. He absolutely outbroke efren and earl by a A WIDE MARGIN.... and don,t ever ask who was better between EFREN and shane,because,imo, efren is the best that has ever screwed a cue together! And i don,t really think its that close either.
Johnny Archer vs SVB- Subjective Question
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Yeah i agree hu,and i also think johnny broke the 9 ball rack about as good as anybody in the 90,s( everybody knows shane is a great breaker,but PLEASE do not think johnny was weak,lol. He absolutely outbroke efren and earl by a A WIDE MARGIN.... and don,t ever ask who was better between EFREN and shane,because,imo, efren is the best that has ever screwed a cue together! And i don,t really think its that close either.
Couldn't agree more, Tate! I'd love to see SVB vs Filler, 10 ball, race to 100-120 for at least 50k.
Can't believe I don't remember this match. Sounds like it was as close as a match can possibly get.
Johnny Archers break was so huge no one had to like playing him, that's why he won so much. At one point in the 90's at any tournament Johnny was taking 1st and everyone else was playing for 2nd place. His break was so BIG he could win the lag and run the set out on you in less than a hour.
I,m with you,they both play near perfect 9 ball...but in his prime,i just think johnny would have grinded shane down...i know the new crowd won,t believe that,but i do...and I LOVE SHANE VAN BOENING
Shane is the only American player that would have a chance against Johnny in his prime no other American player from today would have a chance. Johnny in his prime on a tight table for the cash was the best 9 ball player.
and the last time I checked Johnny is a 4time 9 ball world champion and shane has 0.
I saw them both play in their primes and imo it's a toss up. Johnny was the dominant player in the 90's, when Earl was in his prime and Buddy, Varner, Davenport, Hopkins and Rempe were still playing great. That is saying a lot! Sigel had retired in the early 90's. Johnny was named the Player of the Decade by Billiards Digest for good reason.
If I had to bet though, I would have to bet on Shane. His break and jumping ability would give him an edge. Again, just my opinion though.
If I had to bet though, I would have to bet on Shane. His break and jumping ability would give him an edge. Again, just my opinion though.
Depends on how much lint is on the table
I counted 2. Shane has considerably more major titles than Johnny.
animatedvmaker...That's not true. There have been jump cues of some kind for 40 years!
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
2019 PBIA Instructor of the Year
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
If both men were in their prime, it would just depend upon which game they played.
Anybody that thinks one of these players is going to steamroll over the other one has certainly not put enough thought into it. It's just not going to happen like that.
"On any given day" is the key phrase here.
Anyone that actually believes that either Johnny or Shane is going to consistently beat the other one is just fooling themselves.
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I watched a few of Efrens old matches and was surprised at some of the relatively common shots they missed. Overall I think todays crop of top players is much better than those of a couple of decades ago.
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Going back far enough and I do, in his prime, none of the guys would beat Luther 'Wimpy' Lassiter. He won 6 world 9 ball titles, 5 14.1 world titles and numerous 1 pocket titles often double banking balls, something I never see any do now. How about Harold Worst ? An adult prodigy under Willie Hoppe didn't start until his 20s and won everything from 3 cushion to snooker to 9 ball and straight pool and all 3 of today's popular games including 1 pocket in a round robin against the great pros before it was the Derby City classic, in the 3 years during which from the age of 35 to 38 suffering from and finally succumbing to brain cancer. 51 world titles in 15 years One night went in to a pool hall as an unknown and playing 9 ball for $1,000 a set beat Jimmy Moore 11-6 and Luther Lassiter 11-9 and again hill hill for $2,000 more. Some of the old masters in a ring game where all early money balls were spotted, players were busted before the first runout.
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Shane. Is the better 9 Ball player. My eyes.
a lot longer
If you consider jump rods jump cues of some kind they date back a lot longer. I first saw a jump rod in the late sixties or early seventies. No idea when they originated, but that makes them at least fifty years old and I suspect they date back still further. Never tried a jump rod myself but the people that had them could use them. Of course they weren't trying them on real hard shots, more simple shots that would be nothing without the ball(s) in the way.
I wonder if we started a thread how far back people would remember somebody using a jump rod or jumping with a shaft?
Hu
If you consider jump rods jump cues of some kind they date back a lot longer. I first saw a jump rod in the late sixties or early seventies. No idea when they originated, but that makes them at least fifty years old and I suspect they date back still further. Never tried a jump rod myself but the people that had them could use them. Of course they weren't trying them on real hard shots, more simple shots that would be nothing without the ball(s) in the way.
I wonder if we started a thread how far back people would remember somebody using a jump rod or jumping with a shaft?
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Shane. Is the better 9 Ball player. My eyes.
