I've tried the Rogue on a Pechauer cue and it felt very front heavy, which surprised me. Could have been lack of weight in the butt if the cue but it was different for sure.
I measured it with a more precise scale.
Pechauer Rogue 11.8 mm with radial joint: 3.82 oz
Jacoby Black also with radial joint: 3.77 oz
Conical with a slow rise (I had a P+ Lite once).
Take a picture.
EDIT: You can see the P+ Lite taper below, the taper runs nearly the full length.
https://www.pool-position.de/images/product_images/popup_images/2296_0.jpg
But I'd still like to see a picture of the 11.8mm Rogue that isn't a product shot.
My Rogue 11.8 has the Pechauer Pro (piloted) joint, and is 4.76 oz. Seems like the joint insert has a big effect on overall weight.
Here's mine. Forgot to mention in previous posts, it's also 30" long, so I'm not sure how the extra inch plays into the taper.
https://imgur.com/i7WP2E2
Wait.. what?! 4.76oz for a 11.8mm shaft? I’ve never owned a shaft that heavy even at 13mm. Not that that’s necessarily a bad thing.
The joint really can matter that much. Go to cuestick.com and compare weights of all joint pieces. I did it once and if I remember correctly you could achieve 1.4 ounces in the joint alone, which I guess is good'ish for a "stiff" hit. I could be wrong about that, but I do know that at least on cuestick.com the lightest I could find was an typical radial setup using the G10.
EDIT: Wait, that 1.4oz did include the pieces on the butt (ie. the pin) not just the shaft, so.... yeh that 4.76 seems REALLY heavy (bad scale?).
Need a better scale. I use a electronic jewelry scale. I've cross checked its readout against a Ohaus triple-beam and its dead-on. About 15-20bux on Amazon.I think the scale is good, it's a kitchen food scale and seems to be reliable for measuring out ingredients for baking.
As I mentioned it's a 30" shaft, so the extra inch would weigh something.
Also possibly relevant: Pechauer recalled these shafts after I got my first one, saying the early ones had some interior component near the joint insert that was coming loose and rattling around inside the shaft. They changed the design and a material choice, if I recall, before sending me a new one. So it might be significantly heavier than before?
Need a better scale.
Strong eyeroll.
I weighed pocket change on the same scale until I pretty much matched the shaft's weight. The scale says 7 quarters, 19 nickels, and a dime weigh 4.79oz together. The US mint says those coins weigh 4.82oz together.
So if it makes you guys happy, we can apply a 0.03oz fudge factor to my obviously inadequate scale, and call the shaft 4.79oz instead of 4.76.
Then so it is and with 1 extra inch and the below, 4.76 seems correct (I forgot about that extra inch).
The joint is this one?
People have been saying that about the Revo 12.9 vs. 12.4. I don’t really believe it until I see something other than claims made on AZ, especially since the one thing we know for sure about deflection is that lower end mass = lower deflection, and the 12.4 tip should have lower end mass than 12.9. It could be true that the 12.9 has lower deflection than the 12.4, but most people “measure” deflection by taking a couple of shots and then making a grand pronouncement.
It seems everyone assumes that the wall thickness is the same on the 12.9 and 12.4. Do we know if this is the case?
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These "ROGUE" shafts may very well be rebadged Chinese shafts off of AliExpress... rogue.