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05-23-2020, 11:47 PM

Excuse my ignorance, but are AESCO and AE Schmidt the same outfit?
The '57 AESCO page above does not show or describe a nameplate.
I checked the '50 to '54 Brunswick catalogs and the description changed to "metal nameplate".
As I recall, the Hustler cases had larger, partially curved, nameplates.


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05-24-2020, 12:08 AM

Also, the AESCO catalog says "2 butts 3 shafts" which I found odd. So I conducted an experiment: I put the WHPro butt and a Schoen butt in my case. I might, with a hammer, be able to add 1 shaft to the 2 butts, but, if 3 shafts were added, it would leave some marks.


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05-24-2020, 12:34 AM

Here is a much larger version of the case. I would almost certainly say was made by the same manufacturer. It belonged to Willie Mosconi.

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05-24-2020, 07:56 AM

Just curious, years ago I was told that someone in Ct.- Danbury- owned either Gleason's or Newman's cue from the original Hustler Movie- anyone know the facts on where those cues ended up- and what about Newman's cue case- where is it now?

I think the guy who gave me this info was ED O'Connor, who owned Time after time Billiard Retail in Danbury Ct. Ed had his original Bushka Gambler cue delivered to him by George in person in a paper bag at a New Rochelle NY pool hall in the 60's and a nice Palmer Model M with the decorative shafts that he showed me and my sons that day.
  
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05-24-2020, 10:30 AM

This case is "damn near" the Brunswick and Schmidt tooled case:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101090957

Note that the gun case opens on both ends.
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05-24-2020, 12:02 PM

More grist for the mill:

This gun case, in the inventory of a West Point Mississippi gun dealer, appears to be in the same family.

https://stevebarnettfineguns.com/gun...led-rifle-case

I have written Steve Barnett to detremine if he can help identify the manufacturer.
Hopefully he has spent some time at Southern Billiards in Starkville.


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05-24-2020, 12:34 PM

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05-24-2020, 12:42 PM

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This case is "damn near" the Brunswick and Schmidt tooled case:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...n_id=101090957

Note that the gun case opens on both ends.
Thank god for the internet and search engines, Back into the murk.
You're seeing that a style of tooling was very common for many years.

Abercrombie and Fitch made over-under cases for Red Head for many years, in Manhattan. Who knows who else they produced for, they had a huge leathercraft department


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05-24-2020, 12:59 PM

Just looking for evidence, particularly photographs, which might tend to prove or disprove that the case I possess was distributed by Brunswick.


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05-25-2020, 09:49 AM

The Brunswick description is the same.. 2 butts, 3 shafts in the 1950's catalogs. So it really leads me to believe that it is from the same company.

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Also, the AESCO catalog says "2 butts 3 shafts" which I found odd. So I conducted an experiment: I put the WHPro butt and a Schoen butt in my case. I might, with a hammer, be able to add 1 shaft to the 2 butts, but, if 3 shafts were added, it would leave some marks.


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05-25-2020, 11:55 AM

I reviewed the catalogs and you are correct. Still, the 1949 catalog contains nothing about capacity. The mouth of my case is 2 ¾" x 1 ¾". What are the dimensions of butts and shafts from the 1950s? There are no dividers, or evidence of such. I took a photo showing a WHPro butt, a Joss butt, and a joint protector in the mouth of the case (the protector is sitting on butts and is not inside the case). AZ's site will not upload the photo. I will try later. My bottom line is I have the case in hand and I do not want to put 2 butts of my butts and 3 of my shafts anywhere near inside this case.


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05-25-2020, 12:03 PM

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I reviewed the catalogs and you are correct. Still, the 1949 catalog contains nothing about capacity. The mouth of my case is 2 ¾" x 1 ¾". What are the dimensions of butts and shafts from the 1950s? There are no dividers, or evidence of such. I took a photo showing a WHPro butt, a Joss butt, and a joint protector in the mouth of the case (the protector is sitting on butts and is not inside the case). AZ's site will not upload the photo. I will try later. My bottom line is I have the case in hand and I do not want to put 2 butts of my butts and 3 of my shafts anywhere near inside this case.

You may have an easier time building a time machine and traveling to the 1940s and 1950s to find out who manufactured these. I'm sure the shops are gone and Brunswick is certainly spotty with their document retention. Understandable, the business changed hands a few times and the Industrial Revolution has moved on.


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05-25-2020, 12:19 PM

I agree. The answer is probably not in the pool world unless AESCO or Schmidt can supply the anwer. I have emailed several gun concerns to see if they can help. The similarities in the tooling is compelling.


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05-25-2020, 10:44 PM

This is only photo AZ would accept. My case is not a 2/3.
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Just looking for evidence, particularly photographs, which might tend to prove or disprove that the case I possess was distributed by Brunswick.
I don't think it's a Brunswick case but it's obviously very similar. The Brunswick's I've seen have a different lid neck area design.

Those pictures you see of 'The Hustler" case are not stills - they are frozen scenes straight from he movie somebody captured. I think your case is better than the Brunswick's - it looks pretty nice to me.


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