APA 8 ball rules question
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How could that not be BIH? Never played APA but that's a foul everywhere i've ever played.
Here is a link to the APA rules on 8-ball.
https://poolplayers.com/8-9-ball-Rules.pdf
10 f appears to apply.
A game is forfeited if you alter the course of the 8-ball or the cue ball in a game losing situation.
https://poolplayers.com/8-9-ball-Rules.pdf
10 f appears to apply.
A game is forfeited if you alter the course of the 8-ball or the cue ball in a game losing situation.
Good rule. Even stronger than BIH, you LOSE!!
Given that normally you'd let an object ball stop on it's own, even the 8 ball, I believe that the rule says that
ANY object ball that is in motion and makes contact with a bridge, cue
stick, ... etc will not be replaced. This indicates that it is not a foul and the 8 will be left
where it was stopped and play will continue, HOWEVER......
There is another rule that says the shooter may not alter the course of the 8 ball in an attempt to prevent a loss of game.
Something that The APA has been trying to hammer in for the last couple of summers is
common sense must prevail, so one must exercise some good and fair personal
judgement. If your opponent is reaching around the table with his cue trying to hit the 8 so
it doesn't get near a pocket, as a referee I'd say that's loss of game, if the ball is rolling
to a stop and not going to fall into a pocket, and c'mon.... we all know....
it wouldn't be a foul. I think the key phrase is "in an attempt to prevent a loss..."
This is where one must exercise good and fair judgement. I would though consider it a loss of game if the 8 ball was
about to roll into an unmarked / uncalled pocket and the 8
was accidentally hit with the cue stick and that kept it on the table.+
Try to remember this is the APA we're talking about, and not the BCA or a WPA event
It makes perfect sense that it would be a foul, but in the APA unless the accidental contact keeps the ball out of the pocket, I'd say it's probably not
ANY object ball that is in motion and makes contact with a bridge, cue
stick, ... etc will not be replaced. This indicates that it is not a foul and the 8 will be left
where it was stopped and play will continue, HOWEVER......
There is another rule that says the shooter may not alter the course of the 8 ball in an attempt to prevent a loss of game.
Something that The APA has been trying to hammer in for the last couple of summers is
common sense must prevail, so one must exercise some good and fair personal
judgement. If your opponent is reaching around the table with his cue trying to hit the 8 so
it doesn't get near a pocket, as a referee I'd say that's loss of game, if the ball is rolling
to a stop and not going to fall into a pocket, and c'mon.... we all know....
it wouldn't be a foul. I think the key phrase is "in an attempt to prevent a loss..."
This is where one must exercise good and fair judgement. I would though consider it a loss of game if the 8 ball was
about to roll into an unmarked / uncalled pocket and the 8
was accidentally hit with the cue stick and that kept it on the table.+
Try to remember this is the APA we're talking about, and not the BCA or a WPA event
It makes perfect sense that it would be a foul, but in the APA unless the accidental contact keeps the ball out of the pocket, I'd say it's probably not
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"Try to remember this is the APA we're talking about, and not the BCA or a WPA event".............. Curious as to why this matters?
Because the rules are most likely at least a little different.
The APA is set up mainly for beginning to intermediate players.
Accidents like accidentally disturbing uninvolved balls on the table
with your cue are generally not penalized, you just put the balls back and play on
It would be a loss if the 8 ball was heading towards the wrong pocket and then hit the cue or something else the player put in the way. Otherwise just a foul.
I might have missed something but I was basing my comment on the following:
9. ACCIDENTALLY MOVED BALLS
Accidentally moved balls must be replaced, unless any of the
accidentally moved balls make contact with the cue ball, thereby
creating a ball-in-hand foul, in which case nothing gets replaced.
• If the accidental movement occurs between shots the ball
must be replaced by the opponent before the shot is taken.
• Any balls moved accidentally during a shot must be
replaced by the opponent after the shot is over and all
balls have stopped rolling.
NOTE: An object ball that is in motion and makes accidental
contact with a bridge, cue stick, etc., is not replaced.
If, during the course of the shot, another ball stops in the
position previously occupied by the accidentally moved ball,
the opponent must place the accidentally moved ball, in a fair
manner, as close as possible to its original position.
Why would accidently knocking the 8 ball with your cue while playing 9-ball be a foul? It sounds like the player hit the 8 ball first since the OP stated it was "going around the table". Now if the player missed hitting the 8 entirely I agree it would be a foul.
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Also not true. There are no object ball fouls in the APA. Even a ball knocked off the table is not a foul!
Celophanewrap described the correct outcome perfectly. An object ball in motion that contacts something like a bridge or cue stick stays where it ends up, and the opponent shoots from where the cue ball stops. If the 8 ball is interfered with when it is moving towards an unmarked pocket, it is a loss of game. It can be a debate whether or not the ball was heading for a pocket. Kind of an ambiguous rule, but that is what it is.
KMRUNOUT
And all the time I get more reasons to avoid APA leagues LOL Totally taking away the integrity of the rules of pool. 9 ball played like straight pool, no issues with hitting balls at random, no need to call anything but you better make sure that everyone in the building and your grandmother knows where the 8 is going and mark with with a giant arrow or else. I still can't figure out why they need to mess with rules that a 10 year old can understand.
Perhaps because a 10 year old can understand them and a pool player needs you to be
more specific.
It's a gamblers mentality: Get that cash any way you can.
and most of the time we just call the 8 ball pocket, I don't own a big arrow. I will mark my pocket with a marker if my opponent asks for it.
Generally my phone, or a wallet, a coin, a coaster, or whatever is handy.
One time my opponent pissed me off, so I marked it with his girlfriend. She was good with that, he was slightly beside himself
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A 10 year old can understand the rules of the APA, especially if they read the rulebook. For many pool players, bar rules are the "real rules", and APA (which is a huge advance over bar rules) seems foreign. Its all about what you are familiar with. There are no "real" rules. There are only rules. Play in events with rules you like.
KMRUNOUT