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Oil tankers seized, does Iran have a death wish? - 07-19-2019, 01:17 PM

My understanding is they have seized 4 tankers.

From Fox News
Iran's Revolutionary Guard seizes two UK-operated tankers in Strait of Hormuz

Iran seized two British-operated oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz Friday, marking a fresh escalation of tensions between Tehran and the West.

The U.K.-flagged Stena Impero, which has a crew of 23 aboard, “was approached by unidentified small crafts and a helicopter during transit of the Strait of Hormuz while the vessel was in international waters,” Stena Bulk, the shipping company that owns the vessel, said in a statement. "We are presently unable to contact the vessel which is now heading north towards Iran."

Iran's Revolutionary Guard forces, in a statement on their website, say the ship was seized for "non-compliance with international maritime laws and regulations" and is being brought to an unnamed Iranian port, according to the Associated Press. Websites tracking the ship's path showed it turning sharply in the direction of Iran's Qeshm Island, instead of its intended destination of Saudi Arabia.

"We are urgently seeking further information and assessing the situation following reports of an incident in the Gulf," a U.K. government spokesperson told Fox News.

Approximately an hour later, a Liberian-flagged tanker operated by a British company was also seized by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and was seen on maritime tracking services making a turn toward Iran.

"I'm extremely concerned by the seizure of two naval vessels by Iranian authorities in the Strait of Hormuz," British foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt said in a statement on Friday adding that the crews of both ships "comprise of a range of nationalities, but we understand there are no British citizens on board either ship."

"Our Ambassador in Tehran is in contact with the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to resolve the situation and we are working closely with international partners," Hunt said. "These seizures are unacceptable. It is essential that freedom of navigation is maintained and that all ships can move safely and freely in the region."

President Trump said Friday that Iran is "nothing but trouble" and that "we heard one, we heard two," tankers were seized.

"Iran is showing their colors," the president told reporters before departing the White House to spend the weekend at his golf club in Bedmister, N.J. "Iran is in big trouble right now. Their economy is crashing, it's coming to a crash ... It's very easy to straighten out or it's very easy for us to make it worse."

"This is the second time in just over a week the UK has been the target of escalatory violence by the Iranian regime," National Security Council Spokesman Garrett Marquis said. "The U.S. will continue to work with our allies and partners to defend our security and interests against Iran's malign behavior."

The Pentagon had no official statement on the situation, but Fox News has learned that there are no current plans for U.S. naval vessels to escort commercial ships through the strait.

Stena Bulk says "there have been no reported injuries and their safety is of primary concern to both owners and managers."

The seizures come two weeks after British Royal Marines seized a tanker off the island of Gibralter that authorities said carried oil bound for Syria in violation of European Union sanctions. Iran warned Britain that it would face "repercussions" over that seizure, which it called “mean and wrong." Last week, a British warship blocked three Iranian vessels from seizing another U.K.-flagged tanker.

UK Chamber of Shipping CEO Bob Sanguinetti said in a statement that the seizure was "in violation of international regulations which protect ships and their crews as they go about their legitimate business in international waters" and called on the British government to do "whatever is necessary" to ensure the safe and swift return of the ship's crew.

Earlier Friday, Iran and the United States emphatically disagreed over Washington's claim that a U.S. warship downed an Iranian drone near the Persian Gulf. American officials said they used electronic jamming to bring down the unmanned aircraft, while Iran said it simply didn't happen.

Neither side provided evidence to prove its claim.

At the White House on Friday, President Trump said flatly of the Iranian drone: "We shot it down." But Pentagon and other officials have said repeatedly that the amphibious assault ship USS Boxer actually jammed the drone's signal, causing it to crash, and did not fire a missile. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive technology.

"There is no question this was an Iranian drone, and the USS Boxer took it out as the president announced yesterday because it posed a threat to the ship and its crew," National Security Adviser John Bolton said. "It's entirely the right thing to do."

In Tehran, the Iranian military said all its drones had returned safely to their bases and denied there was any confrontation with the USS Boxer.




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07-19-2019, 01:36 PM

Bummer

Good luck to you Brits. Hope you get it straightened out.

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07-19-2019, 01:39 PM

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Good luck to you Brits. Hope you get it straightened out.

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07-19-2019, 02:31 PM

They better get obama on the horn....more pallets of cash are needed.


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07-19-2019, 03:52 PM

To recap the prior event:

PDJT: we shot down their drone!

The Pentagon: we jammed its guidance and took it down without shots fired.

Iran: All our drones are accounted for in inventory, and it didn't happen.

And no evidence was shown for any of the assertions. About the only thing that seems relatively certain is that PDJT's story was false, according to his own Pentagon officials.

Huh. Go figure. PDJT got it wrong? No way!

In the earlier incidents, the UK denied the US story that Iranian boats had tried to seize that particular tanker, and before that one, the Japanese denied they hit a mine, describing something flying in low over the water instead. Also, there were no witnesses on the Japanese ship to the poor quality video allegedly showing an Iranian small boat taking off a limpet mine above the water line, which is not where mines are effective to sink a ship.

What is going on, really? Fog of pre-war stuff, I guess. It's ok-- what could go wrong?


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07-19-2019, 04:03 PM

Would anybody even notice if the earth opened up and swallowed Iran?


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Would anybody even notice if the earth opened up and swallowed Iran?
There would be a huge disturbance of The Force, as 80 million perished.

And Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Russia and China, Yemenis and others, would indeed notice it as well. Dominoes would quickly fall in sequence in the region, and of course, that is the goal right now.


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There would be a huge disturbance of The Force, as 80 million perished.

And Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Russia and China, Yemenis and others, would indeed notice it as well. Dominoes would quickly fall in sequence in the region, and of course, that is the goal right now.
But would anybody except an Iranian care?


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To recap the prior event:

PDJT: we shot down their drone!

The Pentagon: we jammed its guidance and took it down without shots fired.

Iran: All our drones are accounted for in inventory, and it didn't happen.

And no evidence was shown for any of the assertions. About the only thing that seems relatively certain is that PDJT's story was false, according to his own Pentagon officials.

Huh. Go figure. PDJT got it wrong? No way!

In the earlier incidents, the UK denied the US story that Iranian boats had tried to seize that particular tanker, and before that one, the Japanese denied they hit a mine, describing something flying in low over the water instead. Also, there were no witnesses on the Japanese ship to the poor quality video allegedly showing an Iranian small boat taking off a limpet mine above the water line, which is not where mines are effective to sink a ship.

What is going on, really? Fog of pre-war stuff, I guess. It's ok-- what could go wrong?
Actually he said it was destroyed. Does your hate know no bounds?

This is where you argue that since the atoms from the drone still exist it wasn’t actually destroyed.

Also,the new weapon can jam as well as fire at a target, so an actual shoot down is possible ... and any normal speaking American would call it a shoot down.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ip/1770372001/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-dow...gy-11563579400


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Calling Obomba who can fix things with $Millions for him an Iran.


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Actually he said it was destroyed. Does your hate know no bounds?

This is where you argue that since the atoms from the drone still exist it wasn’t actually destroyed.

Also,the new weapon can jam as well as fire at a target, so an actual shoot down is possible ... and any normal speaking American would call it a shoot down.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ip/1770372001/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-dow...gy-11563579400
I was relying on other accounts that said it had been shot down (in the headline and in the text; see below). Shockingly, I guess, I do not see the WSJ or USA Today on any regular basis, and rarely at all.

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Trump Says U.S. Shot Down Iranian Drone as Both Nations Dig In

WASHINGTON — The American military downed an Iranian drone in the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday in what President Trump called an act of self-defense, just hours after Iran’s chief diplomat offered a modest road map for easing tensions with the United States.

Officials said the uncrewed, relatively small drone came within 1,000 yards of the Boxer, a United States amphibious assault ship in the strait. It was not known if the drone was armed, but a Pentagon spokesman, Jonathan Hoffman, said that it had “closed within a threatening range” before being shot down over international waters.
That is probably because he said it had been 'immediately destroyed,' indicating a super-quick kinetic attack (bullets or missiles) took it out, not an interference with its guidance letting it stay intact and just fly into the water, which of course would not be exactly immediate, nor necessarily destroyed (as you try to foresee and alibi for). If a drone went into the international waters, where are the larger structural pieces to prove it? Would the US Navy not recover it?

So my comments were made in good faith, if mistakenly. It is your question implying it was out of hatred that is in bad faith. But you already knew that. Good to see you are fully back in mid-season form so early on. Like you never left!


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But would anybody except an Iranian care?
Here I sit, ass a strainen'

I'll be damned another Iranian!

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I was relying on other accounts that said it had been shot down (in the headline and in the text; see below). Shockingly, I guess, I do not see the WSJ or USA Today on any regular basis, and rarely at all.

For example:



That is probably because he said it had been 'immediately destroyed,' indicating a super-quick kinetic attack (bullets or missiles) took it out, not an interference with its guidance letting it stay intact and just fly into the water, which of course would not be exactly immediate, nor necessarily destroyed (as you try to foresee and alibi for). If a drone went into the international waters, where are the larger structural pieces to prove it? Would the US Navy not recover it?

So my comments were made in good faith, if mistakenly. It is your question implying it was out of hatred that is in bad faith. But you already knew that. Good to see you are fully back in mid-season form so early on. Like you never left!
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Anyone wonder why they think they can violate international law without retribution? I bet they would never dare seize an embassy and hold its occupants hostage and get away with it.... oh wait........hmmm.... ya think this might be partly a case of learned behavior? I wonder if they would pull this crap if Jimmy Carter had the balls to sacrifice some American lives back then while destroying a newly formed Islamic terrorist regime? I learned way back in elementary school, punish the bully by slamming them to the ground and beating the crap out of them....or suffer repeated bullying like a little girl for years to come. Well... here we are folks and the bully is well armed.


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To recap the prior event:

PDJT: we shot down their drone!

The Pentagon: we jammed its guidance and took it down without shots fired.

Iran: All our drones are accounted for in inventory, and it didn't happen.

And no evidence was shown for any of the assertions. About the only thing that seems relatively certain is that PDJT's story was false, according to his own Pentagon officials.

Huh. Go figure. PDJT got it wrong? No way!

In the earlier incidents, the UK denied the US story that Iranian boats had tried to seize that particular tanker, and before that one, the Japanese denied they hit a mine, describing something flying in low over the water instead. Also, there were no witnesses on the Japanese ship to the poor quality video allegedly showing an Iranian small boat taking off a limpet mine above the water line, which is not where mines are effective to sink a ship.

What is going on, really? Fog of pre-war stuff, I guess. It's ok-- what could go wrong?
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