Bad Deal with engineman76/William Crosby

nsafellow

AzB Silver Member
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This is the complete story as of 8/3/18

Please go the the link below to see the entire story now

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=478610

On Friday the 27th of July I made a deal to trade cues with William.

so the deal was his cue for mine and he assured me it was in great shape when I asked him about it.

I agreed to the trade based on that. We both agreed that we would send out the cues asap which was going to be on Saturday morning. I did so and he did not. He kept putting it off until he received the cue on Monday morning. He then still did not send out the cue until Friday morning...which is no big deal except he neglected to tell me that he had dropped the cue and broken the butt cap on it. Now he things i should
pay to ship it to Jacoby to get it fixed and then to have it shipped back to me in 6 to 8 weeks time. He claims that he will pay for the repair but only $125 because that is what he was quoted. That does not include shipping charges for me to and from them and the fact that i am out 6 to 8 weeks with no cue to deal with.

I told him no way is this a fair deal and he should ship me my cue back and after a few short texts (which are listed below that i copied and pasted to show the original errors in typing) well you can see his response....not very nice to say the least.

And it is obvious that he delayed the shipping of his cue until he got rid of my cue.

How am i supposed to come out on this...

Refuse the cue as the deal with him will not be complete and go after him as a fraud deal over the usps mail?

Accept the cue and hope he pays for it all if he pays at all?

Any opinions would be nice......at least dont let him do any more deals until this is resolved correctly.

If you have any questions about this please feel free to pm me...and this is the cue he got from me

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=477918

I would send him my Philippi and he would send me his Jacoby cue with a Jacoby hybrid shaft.

What follows here are the text messages that he and I exchanged. My texts are bold and his are in italics.

fri 27th 4:06pm

Hey there William You have pictures of the Jacob for me
Thanks

Jim


at 4:12pm i received these pictures

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What kind of shape is it in
The last picture of the joint makes it looks pretty bad the shaft is all discolored or is that just the lighting


It is nit discolored at all. Lighting and cheap phone
It is great shape


What is the tip size
On the shaft


Radial
13mn
19 ounces
13mm


Whats up

Want to trade or not

Hold on
Answering phone call


Ok

Sure I will trade with you

Ok
Address
William crosby
7305 west kenmore drive
Apt 6
Norfolk va 23505


my information and address

It will go out to you tomorrow morning
Thanks
Jim


Mine to

Sounds good I will send you the tracking information
I am sending it via USPS priority mail with insurance
Should be there by Monday I think


Same here bro

I will go onto Azb and mark it as traded
Thanks
Jim


Thanks

At this point it is 4:39pm on the 27th of July

Then on Saturday the 28th at 1:11pm he sent this

dis you mail cue today

and I sent him these pictures to verify shipment of the cue to him.

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It should be there Monday maybe Tuesday she said but it's out on its way and you'll see it quickly

Ok brother
I am still stuck at work. I an still trying to get there to mail yours today

On Monday at !:40pm i sent this to him

Did you get a chance to send the cue out???
Tracking information??


No brother not yet. Been stuck onboard ship brother wirjing emergency. Government comes first latest will be Wednesday
But i will try tomorrow


Ok thanks

so Monday at !:48pm he sent

They left my package at front office so at this point he has the cue already

So Wednesday I sent this out to him...

Have you sent mine out yet???

So Thursday I sent this out to him...

Still waiting for shipping confirmation on the cue
Please reply

So Friday Morning he sent this to me the post office received the cue at 11:30am
This is 6 days later and he is just getting it to the post office now read what he says!!!!

Monday you should get it

Thanks

Tracking usps
9505 5152 4117 8215 3830 38
When you get it you will need to send to dave for repair
I dropped it and it cracked butt cap. He said he will fix for 150


What?
Repair for what, you said it was good
No way send the other one back
That is bs


we can replace it the cost is 125.
It is not bullshit ok. Read what i wrote got it


I will refuse the cue and you need to send the other one back

I am not sending shit back ok
No i want
I will pay for the repair
It is nothing much. Dave jacoby said it is easy fix


Nowhere did you say it was damaged I am not paying to send it out and pay to get it back

I am refusing the cue you get it repaired and sell it to someone else

Send mine back

You can send back or refyse the cue snd come back to me
Then you will be out of two cues
I said i dropped it read through messages and i called dave and he said he will fix it for 125
I will pay


You did not send me that information
I have all of the texts right here in front of me
Here is what will happen
I will call Jacoby and find out about the repair....
I called and it will take 6 to 8 weeks to get it repaired that is not acceptable
So here it is
IF EITHER PARTY IS NOT SATISFIED THEN THE DEAL IS VOIDED
This is wrong send me my cue back please.
I will refuse the damaged one you sent.
I have dealt with issues like this before on AZB.
let me know what you are going to do
Thanks
Jim




I told you what i was going to do.
You can be a little dick head if you want but i am even more trust me. I said i would pay you refuse your lost
You can cry all you want.


Really that is your response. I am supposed to wait 6 to 8 weeks for the repair and hope you do pay the bill for the refinishing and shipping back and forth?
I don't think that is really a fair deal.
As I stated I do not have the cue and will refuse it as is my right.
So you need to send back the cue to me
Really simple
Thank you
Jim


Want happen. I traded that to offer it is long gone you won't get it back

You are in a little bit of a pickle then.
You can Paypal me $350 to cover total refinish of cue if needed. If it is less I will send you a copy of the repair and cost and refund you the rest back
Jim



Want hapoen. I git the email he told me 125
That is what i will pay once he tells me he has cue in hand
Ok pickle


Does not matter what the email says until they have the cue in hand to see it could be more damage than you think

Wgat ever i sent him pictures already he quoted me the total cost

You need to understand that once they have it the damage could be worse and the cost will go up both for shipping and sending back and no cue for 6 to 8 weeks
You really think that is a fair deal


This last text was sent at 10:05 on Friday morning the 3rd of August 2018

I have not heard from him anymore. He claims to have traded it already and does not have it anymore

Thanks for reading to the end if you have any suggestions please let me know as the cue will be here on Monday I think.







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deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
NSA Jim Harrison is one of the best guys on AZ

I personally have had many dealings with him andI suggest your return his cue
and keep yours


It is better to do the right thing
 

nsafellow

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
NSA Jim Harrison is one of the best guys on AZ

I personally have had many dealings with him andI suggest your return his cue
and keep yours


It is better to do the right thing

Thanks Dean
But he claims to have already traded the cue off as of Friday the 3rd
 

iusedtoberich

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
He’s lying. If it took him a week to ship his cue to you, no way he got off his ass and traded and shipped your cue that quickly.

He’s also lying about the butt cap. Guaranteed it was broken before he even listed the cue.

Total scammer IMO.

refuse the cue. And then hound him on every social media portal.
 

14.1'er

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Sorry to hear this, Jim. I sure hope it works out for you, as this is so unfair.

William, I suggest you return his cue or you will likely endure legal action.
 

14.1'er

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
What about a sticky dedicated to Bad Trades? This way we can decide if we choose to deal with these low lifes, or NOT!
 

Chopdoc

AzB Silver Member
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engineman76

William Crosby
7305 West Kenmore Dr.
Apt #6
Norfolk, VA 23505

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jimmyco

NRA4Life
Silver Member
That's just a general transaction thread. I would like to see a sticky at the top of the sales forum dedicated to BAD trades. There are only three stickys there now, and it would make it very easy to weed out the scammers.

It is a sticky.
 

pakektelor

AzB Gold Member
Gold Member
Silver Member
Sorry to hear that
Jim is one of the best Azer, I've dealt with him on July
Hope everything goes fine

Ed
 

chris.s

Registered
Report it on facebook.

There is a group on facebook called
Open Billiards Market: Seller/Buyer Transaction report
It has more than 10k members.
If you haven't solved your problem yet.. you can post it there as well.
And it would be usefull to mention his real name and find his profile on facebook as well.
 
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