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starting to practice straight pool, need help with combos - 11-28-2019, 11:42 PM

i finally started practicing straight pool, and i really like playing it. im not doing a break shot yet, just trying to run a rack. i have found that the way im breaking the balls, i always end up with two ball combos near the short rail. of coarse i know how to line up a combo. you use the closest object ball near the cue ball as a ghost cue ball, then hit the cue ball on that spot to make the other object ball. but strange things happen, and i swear im lining up everything right. boom, both balls go squirting away from the pocket.

do you hit combos,(cue ball) hard, soft,medium, any english at all???

am i lining up everything right? sometimes i try 4 or 5 times to shoot the same short combo, and i keep missing.

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11-29-2019, 04:54 AM

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i finally started practicing straight pool, and i really like playing it. im not doing a break shot yet, just trying to run a rack. i have found that the way im breaking the balls, i always end up with two ball combos near the short rail. of coarse i know how to line up a combo. you use the closest object ball near the cue ball as a ghost cue ball, then hit the cue ball on that spot to make the other object ball. but strange things happen, and i swear im lining up everything right. boom, both balls go squirting away from the pocket.

do you hit combos,(cue ball) hard, soft,medium, any english at all???

am i lining up everything right? sometimes i try 4 or 5 times to shoot the same short combo, and i keep missing.

any help is appreciated
Aim the first OB at the second OB as if the first OB is the CB. See the spot on the rail past the second OB that the first OB would hit if the second OB wasn’t there. Now aim the CB at the first OB as if to cut it toward that spot on the rail (ignoring the second OB). The more distant target for the first OB makes the cut more accurate.

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11-29-2019, 05:06 AM

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i finally started practicing straight pool, and i really like playing it. im not doing a break shot yet, just trying to run a rack. i have found that the way im breaking the balls, i always end up with two ball combos near the short rail. of coarse i know how to line up a combo. you use the closest object ball near the cue ball as a ghost cue ball, then hit the cue ball on that spot to make the other object ball. but strange things happen, and i swear im lining up everything right. boom, both balls go squirting away from the pocket.

do you hit combos,(cue ball) hard, soft,medium, any english at all???

am i lining up everything right? sometimes i try 4 or 5 times to shoot the same short combo, and i keep missing.

any help is appreciated
Here ya go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Sr6CqYWio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmLxrwE8XW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lPQjHPJAcU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VByN9uKwCo

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11-29-2019, 06:43 PM

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Aim the first OB at the second OB as if the first OB is the CB. See the spot on the rail past the second OB that the first OB would hit if the second OB wasn’t there. Now aim the CB at the first OB as if to cut it toward that spot on the rail (ignoring the second OB). The more distant target for the first OB makes the cut more accurate.
A couple more reasons this works:
- gives a specific/visible target for the first OB cut
- makes it possible to aim the cut angles one at a time

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11-29-2019, 07:31 PM

Cheap instructional book, if you do not have you should.


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11-30-2019, 12:23 AM

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11-30-2019, 02:32 PM

Pat, in Post #2 gave you the most common and probably the best solution. However, there are other things to consider. All combinations aren't created equal. How the balls lie will often determine the best way of attacking the shot.
Your best solution to learning would be to find an experienced 14.1 player who can point out the different types of combos and ways to make them.
The videos recommended are worth watching but 2 have nothing to do with combinations and the others, while accurate, may not get you where you need to go.
  
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12-02-2019, 07:38 AM

The 99 book is awesome, there are only a few errors, so ask her as you read it...

...It's helpful to plan to hit the first ball in the combo with skid/no spin. Setup some combos for practice and gauge how close you need the cb to the obs to make them regularly.


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12-02-2019, 09:46 AM

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...It's helpful to plan to hit the first ball in the combo with skid/no spin.
Assuming "with skid" means a sliding CB, that maximizes throw. I'd suggest a rolling CB to minimize throw.

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12-02-2019, 01:57 PM

I have found that standing more upright helps to see the combo better.
Looking more down on it lets you see the contact spot better.


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12-02-2019, 03:19 PM

Of those four videos, the only one with any valuable information is the last one. None of them talk about the necessity of an accurate stroke.

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12-02-2019, 03:31 PM

There's no such thing as soft, medium and hard. Those are arbitrary terms that only have meaning to the individual shooter (ie: Your 'hard' or 'soft' are not the same as my 'hard' or 'soft'). This is why we teach speed as a numerical concept (1 is a lag...10 is a break). That way a 3-speed stroke (1 is a lag) is the same for everyone, no matter who is shooting it. Combinations should be played at the slowest speed that will pocket the OB...unless more is needed to gain position on the next shot. Don't use sidespin, as that will make the shot much more difficult.

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i finally started practicing straight pool, and i really like playing it. im not doing a break shot yet, just trying to run a rack. i have found that the way im breaking the balls, i always end up with two ball combos near the short rail. of coarse i know how to line up a combo. you use the closest object ball near the cue ball as a ghost cue ball, then hit the cue ball on that spot to make the other object ball. but strange things happen, and i swear im lining up everything right. boom, both balls go squirting away from the pocket.

do you hit combos,(cue ball) hard, soft,medium, any english at all???

am i lining up everything right? sometimes i try 4 or 5 times to shoot the same short combo, and i keep missing.

any help is appreciated


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12-02-2019, 04:19 PM

Once again, find someone who knows what the hell they're doing, to help you out.
Some of the stuff being thrown out here is of little help. Particularly the statements regarding speed and especially about not using english (sidespin). There are many combos where using english is of great value.
  
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12-02-2019, 04:31 PM

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There are many combos where using english is of great value.
Such as?

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12-03-2019, 06:02 AM

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Assuming "with skid" means a sliding CB, that maximizes throw. I'd suggest a rolling CB to minimize throw.

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I'm okay with that statement with a qualification. Learning to throw cuts in is important. Also, skid or slide helps as a reference for calculating the path of the first ob in the combo. "Never hit a combo/cluster unless you know where all the balls will go."


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