level table, fair balls and cloth, etc.
short shot and from distance
where do you hit the cue ball?
and with what speed?
short shot and from distance
where do you hit the cue ball?
and with what speed?
If it’s straight in you have to hit a stop shot, right? Otherwise I’d roll the CB.level table, fair balls and cloth, etc.
short shot and from distance
where do you hit the cue ball?
and with what speed?
If it’s straight in you have to hit a stop shot, right? Otherwise I’d roll the CB.
pj
chgo
Stop-shot with a little speed to it. Don't want to slo-roll it or slam it either. Tad below center and send it in.level table, fair balls and cloth, etc.
short shot and from distance
where do you hit the cue ball?
and with what speed?
Yes - I would have recommended some draw if not for the fact that it has to be hit harder than a stop shot. I guess the math for that tradeoff is different for different players.Follow or draw (vs. stun) will reduce the amount of throw for a given amount of side spin.
Short shot medium speed just below center
Long shot same speed and slightly lower
Im no pro instructor full disclosure
Does "short shot and from distance" mean the OB is near the pocket and the CB is far away from the OB? If so, I'd avoid follow unless there's at least a little cut angle (to avoid scratching).rolling it in sounds good..
to me that's just above center, with a controlled but smooth stroke
not soft enough to be uncomfortable, not hard enough to scratch
et toi?
Does "short shot and from distance" mean the OB is near the pocket and the CB is far away from the OB? If so, I'd avoid follow unless there's at least a little cut angle (to avoid scratching).
A smoothly rolling CB (hit about 80% of max follow) is my favorite "safe" hit - if the OB isn't straight in and close to the pocket.
pj
chgo
Yes, but depending on the distance, etc. you might have to hit the CB higher/lower, firmer/softer, etc. It's more clear to talk about what you want the CB to be doing when it hits the OB. Here's a diagram about that.I'm curious about shooting just below center
that is to avoid scratching, I guess?
The chance (or amount) of side spin isn't increased, but the effect of it is - it creates more throw that might make you miss.in terms of shooting straight, is that the best place to hit the cb?
I can hit that shot ok, but as bob mentioned,
isn't the chance of sidespin increased, hitting that way?
especially at distance
Maybe, but the better reason to hit a little high is so the CB will start right off rolling instead of sliding - that tends to decrease both swerve and OB throw. You can't always do it, but you always want to.and might it easier to avoid sidespin hitting above center
because it's easier to see the tip?
Hope we didn't leave a mess.thanks for stopping by my brain
Maybe, but the better reason to hit a little high is so the CB will start right off rolling instead of sliding - that tends to decrease both swerve and OB throw. You can't always do it, but you always want to.
Hope we didn't leave a mess.
pj
chgo
If there’s a chalk smudge at the contact point skid will happen - if not it won’t. A rolling CB might slightly increase the amount of skid, but won’t increase the likelihood.question for patrick or anyone else
if you use draw that puts follow on the the object ball so the object ball is rolling sooner
if you use follow on the cue ball that puts draw on the object ball initially which pushes the object ball down on the object ball on the initial contact
wouldnt that cause a slight increased chance for skid??
If there’s a chalk smudge at the contact point skid will happen - if not it won’t. A rolling CB might slightly increase the amount of skid, but won’t increase the likelihood.
I don’t think the possibility of skids should be a factor in your choices.
pj
chgo
Yes, but depending on the distance, etc. you might have to hit the CB higher/lower, firmer/softer, etc. It's more clear to talk about what you want the CB to be doing when it hits the OB. Here's a diagram about that.
To avoid following the OB into the pocket on a straight-in shot, you want to avoid follow, so you want one of the results on the left side of the diagram - that means hitting below center, but how far below and how hard depend on the distance and other conditions.
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The chance (or amount) of side spin isn't increased, but the effect of it is - it creates more throw that might make you miss.
Maybe, but the better reason to hit a little high is so the CB will start right off rolling instead of sliding - that tends to decrease both swerve and OB throw. You can't always do it, but you always want to.
Hope we didn't leave a mess.
pj
chgo
Boy, you guys are geniuses. I'm still trying to understand the question.
hi fran, I certainly feel like I'm amongst fine pool minds, yours included!
allow me to rephrase so that we might benefit from your knowledge
say we're playing eight-ball and I'm on the eight
I have a straight-in shot to win the game
I want to make it
the table is level and the cloth and balls are decent, don't need to worry there
where do I hit the cue ball?
top, bottom, center, etc.
and with what speed?
and I'm curious about different scenarios re: where the cue ball and object ball are
i.e. long shot, short shot, cue ball far away from object ball, up close, etc.
if there is any difference in the way you would hit it then?
hopefully that makes more sense