Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Main Category > Main Forum
Reload this Page Can this shot be made with any consistency?
Reply
Page 4 of 5 « First 234 5
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old
  (#46)
Icon of Sin
Headphones Advocate!
Icon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond repute
 
Icon of Sin's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 5,032
vCash: 15960
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Blog Entries: 5
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: in this world, but not of it...
   
09-13-2018, 05:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniac View Post
Thank you. I was sure I wasn't the only one that has played on tables like that.

If the object ball is so deep on a deep-shelved, tight pocket and you cannot put draw on the cue ball, how can you consistently make the ball if the cue ball, on a half-ball hit, cannot even find its way out of the jaws of the pocket? Heck, if the cue ball was up just beyond the side pocket, it would be hard enough just hitting the ball.

Maniac
Then you dont go half ball...

Black Balled said he has been on tables that you cant go rail first because the ball is so deep. Most of us have been on tables like that... you can still go half ball , that's not rail first. In some cases you might have to go a little more full but if you aim to ht ball and rail at the same time (regardless of how much ball you are hitting) the cueball will stay up, especially on a tighter cut table as you have to strike balls pure to make them. The OB will drop and the CB will rattle if it even goes in the jaws at all...

I really do not understand how this is a hard shot. From where you have the cueball, rail first is completely ridiculous anyway regardless of the pocket depth and size. You'd have to use high left or right and you got a good chance of causing the ball to masse off course...

Ive played a lot of pool over the years and played on a bunch of really tough tables... I have never seen a table that I would have trouble with this shot on.

With all that being said, see my disclaimer...


-H

Disclaimer:
I'm really a sh!t pool player and you probably shouldn't listen to any advice I may give.

Last edited by Icon of Sin; 09-14-2018 at 05:20 AM.
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#47)
Black-Balled
He Rides the Skies
Black-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond repute
 
Black-Balled's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 36,410
vCash: 1200
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: This Toilet Earth
  Send a message via AIM to Black-Balled  
09-14-2018, 06:22 AM

My recollection is that I was in a tournament and after being amazed for about 30 sec, then thinking for another 30,
I just jacked up and fired it at about 47y5 mph, trusting the pool gods would shine on me, you crazy diamond.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniac View Post
Thank you. I was sure I wasn't the only one that has played on tables like that.

If the object ball is so deep on a deep-shelved, tight pocket and you cannot put draw on the cue ball, how can you consistently make the ball if the cue ball, on a half-ball hit, cannot even find its way out of the jaws of the pocket? Heck, if the cue ball was up just beyond the side pocket, it would be hard enough just hitting the ball.

Maniac
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#48)
Black-Balled
He Rides the Skies
Black-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond repute
 
Black-Balled's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 36,410
vCash: 1200
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: This Toilet Earth
  Send a message via AIM to Black-Balled  
09-14-2018, 06:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by pocket View Post
Perhaps I'm missing something, I'd welcome this as a game winner every game. Anything 1/2 ball (or even a little more) or less and you're good???
As a last ball, chicken dinner...but playing shape off it is a very different prop.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#49)
Icon of Sin
Headphones Advocate!
Icon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond reputeIcon of Sin has a reputation beyond repute
 
Icon of Sin's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 5,032
vCash: 15960
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Blog Entries: 5
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: in this world, but not of it...
   
09-14-2018, 07:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black-Balled View Post
As a last ball, chicken dinner...but playing shape off it is a very different prop.
Yes completely. Position from shit like this is a nightmare... but as a money ball... please...


-H

Disclaimer:
I'm really a sh!t pool player and you probably shouldn't listen to any advice I may give.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#50)
pocket
AzB Silver Member
pocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond reputepocket has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,676
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Southern California
   
09-14-2018, 10:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Black-Balled View Post
As a last ball, chicken dinner...but playing shape off it is a very different prop.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icon of Sin View Post
Yes completely. Position from shit like this is a nightmare... but as a money ball... please...
OP said money ball?
  
Reply With Quote
Table
Old
  (#51)
ROB.M
:)
ROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond reputeROB.M has a reputation beyond repute
 
ROB.M's Avatar
 
Status: Online
Posts: 4,473
vCash: 980
iTrader: 81 / 100%
Blog Entries: 7
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: quad cities,IA
   
Table - 09-14-2018, 10:43 PM

Oh my.... your cloth is shot....
If your interested contact me and Iíll give you a decent deal on some cloth.



Rob.M


-



Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniac View Post
Attachment 500219

Money ball literally hanging by a thread smack dab in the middle of the corner pocket. Cue ball down table on the other side right up against the short rail several inches from the corner pocket (although this shot probably wouldn't change much if the cue ball was anywhere against that rail).

Now, keep in mind that my table in the picture (yes, I know it needs recovered) has some of the shortest shelves I've ever seen on top of the fact that these are 5" openings. I would want to know how to consistently make this shot on a table with deeper shelves and tighter pockets.

All that said, I certainly know that this shot cannot be made with a full hit, and a table with tight pockets and deep shelves, it would be dang hard to make contact with the object ball by aiming at the gap. Slow rolling the cue ball is an iffy proposition because of the over/under-hitting possibility. Also with slow-rolling there could be roll-off, so...Ö

How would YOU shoot this shot?

Maniac (and would you pray first?)


Couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie'
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#52)
Ghosst
Broom Handle Mafia
Ghosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond reputeGhosst has a reputation beyond repute
 
Ghosst's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,953
vCash: 825
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Alberta
   
09-15-2018, 07:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maniac View Post
I could, but I'm not asking the question in my OP about my table. Once again...I was asking about this shot on tables with tight pockets and deep shelves.

I only used the picture of my table to show the placement of the balls.
No worries, I was curious about how short your shelf was in comparison to my own and some other tables. I've added a photo for you of a table with a deeper shelf I can play the shot on, but I'm not sure it's tough enough for you.
Attached Images
 
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#53)
smashmouth
AzB Silver Member
smashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond reputesmashmouth has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 2,743
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2006
   
09-15-2018, 08:04 AM

this is table dependent but jacking up with backspin will do it, and it can be done, Corey can do this 9/10 times but its a very very tough stroke

off the point might be an option
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#54)
Maniac
2manyQ's
Maniac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond reputeManiac has a reputation beyond repute
 
Maniac's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 6,009
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Texas
   
09-15-2018, 08:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghosst View Post
No worries, I was curious about how short your shelf was in comparison to my own and some other tables. I've added a photo for you of a table with a deeper shelf I can play the shot on, but I'm not sure it's tough enough for you.
The 9-ball in that picture could be resting a good half-inch closer to the hole. And...I've seen both deeper shelves and tighter pockets (though usually not both on the same table.

Those jaws are tighter and the shelf is deeper that on my table. The only thing my keeps my table from being TOO easy to play on is the angle of the facings.

Good picture...thanks for posting it.

After much thought since posting this thread, I am at the full realization that this shot is makeable with consistency by better than average players. I have seen this shot strike fear into lesser players and I cannot count how many times I've seen the shooter follow the cue ball in after making the object ball. So...as a rule I'm going to say, as with most pool shots, it all depends on the ability/skill of the player shooting it.

Maniac

Maniac


Playing cues: 2 Larry Vigus 60" customs, Jacoby D11 w/314-2
Break/jump cues: Larry Vigus 60"dedicated break, Jerico Stinger, Jacoby jump cue
Case: 2 Sterling Wave 4x8's, Sterling butterfly



"I try to think, but nothing happens!" Curly Howard
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#55)
Ak147
AzB Silver Member
Ak147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond reputeAk147 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 221
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Feb 2015
   
09-16-2018, 09:46 PM

For deeper shelf depth - TOI using CTE with slip stroke should work?
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#56)
Bob Jewett
Northern California

Bob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond reputeBob Jewett has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 14,566
vCash: 1700
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
   
09-16-2018, 10:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ak147 View Post
For deeper shelf depth - TOI using CTE with slip stroke should work?
Only if you include tuck and roll.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#57)
Catalin
AzB Silver Member
Catalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond reputeCatalin has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 153
vCash: 500
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2014
   
09-17-2018, 12:13 AM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, but the CB does not travel in a straight line after the contact with the OB (tangent), it swerves first. That swerve will send the CB out of the pocket every single time on an off center hit.

Julian
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#58)
Black-Balled
He Rides the Skies
Black-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond repute
 
Black-Balled's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 36,410
vCash: 1200
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: This Toilet Earth
  Send a message via AIM to Black-Balled  
09-17-2018, 04:20 AM

I Find that pivot after striking the cb with high draw makes immeasurable difference.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#59)
BilliardsAbout
Billiards.About.com
BilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond reputeBilliardsAbout has a reputation beyond repute
 
BilliardsAbout's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,252
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Gainesville, FL
   
09-17-2018, 05:10 AM

1) Take a stance as close to your regular stance as possible, without any special jacking up or what-have-you.

2) Press down hard into the table/towards the ground with the bridge hand, for added stability.

3) Aim center ball cue ball halfway between the ob visible "edge" and the pocket point to either side.

The shot can now be played as if the ball/pocket is a rail. A good player should not only pocket the ob but be able to send the cue ball most anywhere on the table for shape.



-- Matt Sherman

Guide to Pool and Billiards, About.com
Instruction Staff, InsidePool Magazine
Author, book/DVD combo, Picture Yourself Shooting Pool
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#60)
Black-Balled
He Rides the Skies
Black-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond reputeBlack-Balled has a reputation beyond repute
 
Black-Balled's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 36,410
vCash: 1200
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: This Toilet Earth
  Send a message via AIM to Black-Balled  
09-17-2018, 06:16 AM

Then you have never seen a ball such as the one we are discussing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BilliardsAbout View Post
1) Take a stance as close to your regular stance as possible, without any special jacking up or what-have-you.

2) Press down hard into the table/towards the ground with the bridge hand, for added stability.

3) Aim center ball cue ball halfway between the ob visible "edge" and the pocket point to either side.

The shot can now be played as if the ball/pocket is a rail. A good player should not only pocket the ob but be able to send the cue ball most anywhere on the table for shape.

  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 4 of 5 « First 234 5

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.