And of course, the other problem is that when it gets broken it will likely be a top player practising on their favourite table or in their basement. We know from Charlie Ursitti that Willie has run more than 526 in private so it would be a bit goofy to give a modern player the high run record when we know that Willie and probably Cranfield have run more over 526 in practice. No run should be recognized as the record unless it is accomplished as a continuation of a match or at the DCC. Similarly, in snooker Jamie Cope has run a 155 in a practice match, but officially the highest break in competition is 148 by Jamie Burnett.
Better equipment, shafts, Tips, and Kamui Chalk, but the 526 RUN RECORDS Stands?
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And of course, the other problem is that when it gets broken it will likely be a top player practising on their favourite table or in their basement. We know from Charlie Ursitti that Willie has run more than 526 in private so it would be a bit goofy to give a modern player the high run record when we know that Willie and probably Cranfield have run more over 526 in practice. No run should be recognized as the record unless it is accomplished as a continuation of a match or at the DCC. Similarly, in snooker Jamie Cope has run a 155 in a practice match, but officially the highest break in competition is 148 by Jamie Burnett.
I've got good equipment and I've recently hit my high run of 26. I'm now working on the other 500.
A lot of people believe that Babe Cranfield ran 768 on a 4.5x9 in his usual pool hall in Syracuse. I'm one of those people. The record is not for practice runs. The record is for announced exhibitions. John's attempt is announced and recorded.
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Hope that run is on Bluray...
Bob - I've seen Cranfield's record many times in myriad places yet it gets little or no credit for ever having happened and/or, more importantly, for being the record run. By far far far ( 242 balls far ). In your opinion, why do *you* think that is?
It wasn't an exhibition. It was just a fun run. Part of the story is that no one except the shooter saw the whole run. Mosconi may have run over 600 with Charlie Ursitti watching, but again, it was just a fun run.
There are stories of fun runs over 1000. I don't believe them.
The BCA seems to have stopped keeping records, so even if John does put up a 603, it's not clear that anyone official will sprinkle holy water on it. Or even J.T.S. Brown.
A friend of mine happened to be in Syracuse and watched Cranfield practice five nights in a row. Every night Cranfield ran over 200. Cranfield had the percentages and the time on the table to put up a very large run and I believe he did. For fun.
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I agree that todays top players should play the same table set up that Mosconi played.
However, they should also use the same type of pool cues and equipment that Mosconi used when he did the run.
However, they should also use the same type of pool cues and equipment that Mosconi used when he did the run.
Nice post Jay. But, what do you mean Mosoni didn't start with a break shot? How did he start his runs in exhibition ?
Willie always had an opponent...he started with whatever shot the guy left him.
From Willie's Game, by Willie Mosconi and Stanley Cohen:
"I was playing a two-hundred-point match against an amateur by the name of Earl Bruney in the East High Billiard Club. He made three balls off the break, then I ran two hundred and just kept going."
Running 700+ balls certainly qualifies as "fun" in *my* book! :grin:
John Schmidt had a 177 and a 283 yesterday.
What a player, in anyone's book.
OH, good to know. I was not even thinking he was playing anyone, just doing a "solo" exhibition. Did he just play a local at all the exhibitions ?
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Willie nearly always played some local person who was there to hold a stick. Willie was not shy, according to lots of reports, about letting the stick holder know who the people came to watch in case the stick holder got a little frisky.
I agree, but there will always be somebody who disputes something.
He didn't have the same taper on his shaft, his cue was heavier/lighter, the chalk was different, he played with better lighting conditions, he was taller, he was shorter, he was slimmer, he was fatter, he didn't eat the same thing Willie ate that day, the pool room was cooler/hotter, the crowd was too loud/quiet, etc., etc., etc.
I think Willie's record will NEVER be broken because nobody can, or will, ever duplicate all the conditions.
Global warming will prevent it.
The barometric pressure isn't the same or the core of the Earth is warmer. Or Willie thought the Earth was round and the guy trying to break the record may think the Earth is flat.
Don't forget there was probably no airconditioning....9 out of 10 rooms had none then.I agree, but there will always be somebody who disputes something.
He didn't have the same taper on his shaft, his cue was heavier/lighter, the chalk was different, he played with better lighting conditions, he was taller, he was shorter, he was slimmer, he was fatter, he didn't eat the same thing Willie ate that day, the pool room was cooler/hotter, the crowd was too loud/quiet, etc., etc., etc.
I think Willie's record will NEVER be broken because nobody can, or will, ever duplicate all the conditions.
Global warming will prevent it.
Willie nearly always played some local person who was there to hold a stick. Willie was not shy, according to lots of reports, about letting the stick holder know who the people came to watch in case the stick holder got a little frisky.
Willie could get upset if upstaged...
...a young Danny Diliberto was in the high 70s and Willie had the room owner inform
Danny that they weren't there to watch him....and Danny had to give up the table.
That is why I always had my cues made at 21 ounces and 14mm shafts. So I could knock the hell out of the cue ball on SLOW cloth and rails under those conditions.
Most of the bars and pool halls were like saunas way back then.