Shafts breaking, suggestion?

JAMSGOLF · May 26, 2011

Kurt said:
Predator offices in Jacksonville saw the first shaft I broke..just ask the guy who does customer service there- George was his name? I know it's not proof I did it on a draw stroke, but that's where the witnesses from Sharpshooters come in..one was Jose if I remember correctly (I know it's a generic name, but he's a house player and everybody knows him.) The other guy that saw it is Native American, plays really good one pocket, and drives a really nice expensive car...I forgot his nick name though.

I'm not sure why you should feel you have to justify something you know to be true to some nitwits.

There's no doubt in most people's minds (as well as mine) that you're doing this on a "normal" draw shot...but let's be clear...your's isn't a "normal" draw shot. It's normal for you - but not for most others. You're stressing the shafts out over time. The laminate in the LD shafts you're using isn't holding up to the stress you put on them time after time after time. Bend a paper clip in half - it won't break - bend it back and forth numerous times and it finally snaps in two...STRESS!

Very simple solution that has been stated numerous times...change your stroke or get used to breaking LD shafts...

Kurt · May 26, 2011

JAMSGOLF said:
I'm not sure why you should feel you have to justify something you know to be true to some nitwits.

There's no doubt in most people's minds (as well as mine) that you're doing this on a "normal" draw shot...but let's be clear...your's isn't a "normal" draw shot. It's normal for you - but not for most others. You're stressing the shafts out over time. The laminate in the LD shafts you're using isn't holding up to the stress you put on them time after time after time. Bend a paper clip in half - it won't break - bend it back and forth numerous times and it finally snaps in two...STRESS!

Very simple solution that has been stated numerous times...change your stroke or get used to breaking LD shafts...

I'm already working on trying to adjust my stroke...I don't know why everybody feels they have to keep suggesting this, as if somewhere I said I refused to adjust my stroke. I want to practice my stroke, but I don't want to practice it on a shaft that I can possibly break while practicing, but I want to do it with a high quality LD shaft. And I'd prefer not to practice with a thick break cue

Kurt · May 26, 2011

Hungarian Nut said:
You are very welcome Roadking. This guy is a clown...

This break wasn't nearly as bad as the first time...the first time it almost broke completely in two.

http://imgur.com/a/WaIom

cuesmith · May 26, 2011

The Renfro said:
I have had several cue-makers and repair specialists tell me exactly the same thing. I started making sure that I specify "no shaft cleaning or burnishing" when I take a predator in to be re-tipped. I actually have had 1 come back from the shop with a warp from being heated up on the lathe. Well at least I think it was from that but I am not a total expert for sure.

Sherm, Do you know if the OB and Straight laminates use the same glues as predator? I haven't seen but 1 straight lam warp from what we assume was overheating on a lathe.

Chris,
I'm not really sure about the adhesives used by the other LD shaft manufacturers but I will say that Royce of OB is definitely quality conscience and has probably done his homework on the quality and reliability of his adhesives. As far as the flat lam shafts, I've only used about a dozen of them in my career which I purchased the blanks from Schmelke. I had at least 2 of those warp from whatever reasons not related to heat. These 2 warped while in storage before they were even completed. I had one more that I know of warp after it was sold and used for at least a year. I've always thought that the flat lam shafts were questionable due to the same effect that a dielectric strip in a thermostat works, where one part of the lamination could expand and contract at a different rate from the one next to it, causing movement. Personally I think the design of the OB shafts and the much rarer Ed Reyes laminated shafts (ER120 I think they were called) have the best chance of stability when it comes to laminates but I still prefer a solid maple shaft for myself. Been playing too long with them to re-learn how to shoot with a LD shaft.

Hungarian · May 26, 2011

I'm sorry for your loss...

I'm still skeptical. Never will believe you can break a known good shaft on a draw stroke unless I were to see it. Not your fault, but I am not easily convinced.

Sorry again and good luck with pursuit of free replacement.

Cheers,
Nut

Kurt · May 26, 2011

Hungarian Nut said:
I'm still skeptical. Never will believe you can break a known good shaft on a draw stroke unless I were to see it. Not your fault, but I am not easily convinced.

Sorry again and good luck with pursuit of free replacement.

Cheers,
Nut

That's not a bad idea. Anybody from OB or Mezz want to step up and sponsor me with a shaft/stick? That way you can tell people that you gave your shaft to one of the worst draw strokers in pool, and even he couldn't break it. Best PR in the industry!

Wolven · May 26, 2011

Kurt,

I would stop using q-wiz it does take some wood off.
The stroke thing well, sorry, but whatever everyone else is saying.

OB-1 and especially OB-classic are way tougher than 314 and they don't warp.
OB-classic has more deflection than OB-1 and 314^2 but is one tough shaft I break with mine.

brandoncook26 · May 26, 2011

I played with a Mezz cue I received today. I only have about an hour into it, but so far it feels much more like a regular shaft than any other LD I have tried. It is very solidly constructed. I tried a predator for a while and didn't like it. I also tried an OB-1 and it felt like it hit too soft. The tiger ultra ld was pretty decent, but this Mezz WD 700 is pretty solid.

Kurt · May 26, 2011

Wolven said:
Kurt,

I would stop using q-wiz it does take some wood off.
The stroke thing well, sorry, but whatever everyone else is saying.

OB-1 and especially OB-classic are way tougher than 314 and they don't warp.
OB-classic has more deflection than OB-1 and 314^2 but is one tough shaft I break with mine.

What's the best thing to carry around with me to the pool halls that will keep my cue from getting sticky? Q-Wiz works pretty well for that...but if I can replace it I will.

just kick'n · May 26, 2011

Imo

Judging by the break pattern in the shaft, I would say you are trapping it on the slate, and lifting the butt of the cue. That is my hypothesis, until I see otherwise, with my own eyes. My humble opinion.

Kurt · May 26, 2011

Still determining which shaft I want next. Immonen plays with the WD700 doesn't he? I thought I saw that somewhere.

Hungarian · May 26, 2011

just kick'n said:
Judging by the break pattern in the shaft, I would say you are trapping it on the slate, and lifting the butt of the cue. That is my hypothesis, until I see otherwise, with my own eyes. My humble opinion.

Yeah, but on a draw stroke.......please

Hungarian · May 26, 2011

Kurt said:
If it's the shaft of my choice from either Mezz or OB, you have yourself a deal.

No Sir, you must travel to a known Pool Hall at our agreement. My Representative or I will meet you there.

Tell the truth, you had it leaning against the wall at the Ice House and some APA Welder backed into it.

mm4pool · May 26, 2011

Kurt said:
I do use Q-Wiz to clean the shaft...and I think one side has a burnisher. Maybe it's weakening the shafts?

i have been a woodworker my entire adult life and have used different adhesives extensively. in my opinion, i seriously doubt that you are generating enough heat by hand burnishing to do any harm to the shaft. the only way i see you building enough heat to do harm is spin the shaft on a lathe at high speed while burnishing. i use a q-wiz on my ob1 with no ill effects, when i use the abrasive side it is with a very light stroke, just enough to clean, not enough to sand. good luck.

Mike

Roadking · May 26, 2011

JAMSGOLF said:
I'm not sure why you should feel you have to justify something you know to be true to some nitwits.

There's no doubt in most people's minds (as well as mine) that you're doing this on a "normal" draw shot...but let's be clear...your's isn't a "normal" draw shot. It's normal for you - but not for most others. You're stressing the shafts out over time. The laminate in the LD shafts you're using isn't holding up to the stress you put on them time after time after time. Bend a paper clip in half - it won't break - bend it back and forth numerous times and it finally snaps in two...STRESS!

Very simple solution that has been stated numerous times...change your stroke or get used to breaking LD shafts...

I'm sorry sir but your the nitwit if you believe this post!

Wolven · May 26, 2011

mm4pool said:
i use a q-wiz on my ob1 with no ill effects, when i use the abrasive side it is with a very light stroke, just enough to clean, not enough to sand. good luck.

Mike

No matter how gentle you are there is always the danger of taking some wood with it.
I have abused OB shafts for a long time and they just stay straight so a little q-wiz should not do harm.
However, Predator shaft is another story they do warp and taking a little wood off is one way to do it.

My favorite product is Slipstic conditioner and cleaner. Towel does the trick too.

Roadking · May 26, 2011

I have a 314-2 that mic's at 12mm, it's as straight as the 1st day I bought it. And it's not coming unglued or falling apart. And I broke with it the first 6 months I had it.
Also I'd like to know what predator had to say to the OP about his shaft?

rackem · May 26, 2011

You are not breaking the shafts on your draw stroke..
You are breaking it on your follow through.
You are not suppose to bend the cue in half on the table after you hit the ball.
Don't blame it on the shaft. Blame it on your broken stroke.

Hungarian · May 26, 2011

JAMSGOLF said:
I'm not sure why you should feel you have to justify something you know to be true to some nitwits.

There's no doubt in most people's minds (as well as mine) that you're doing this on a "normal" draw shot...but let's be clear...your's isn't a "normal" draw shot. It's normal for you - but not for most others. You're stressing the shafts out over time. The laminate in the LD shafts you're using isn't holding up to the stress you put on them time after time after time. Bend a paper clip in half - it won't break - bend it back and forth numerous times and it finally snaps in two...STRESS!

Very simple solution that has been stated numerous times...change your stroke or get used to breaking LD shafts...

Hey SC-5 , watup fool

8up · May 26, 2011

Drew said:
When all else fails, you can always fix one bad habit with another.

Is that anything like buying bigger speakers for my car because my muffler has a hole rusted in it and the noise from it was making it hard to hear the radio? :wink:

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