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04-10-2019, 05:19 PM

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So last year I started playing a small tournament in north Phoenix because the guy who started it asked me to come and participate. I ended up playing in it about 7 or 8 times last year.

A week ago I played in it for the first time this year. While I was there, several players were talking about their FARGO score/rating? They asked me what mine was, and I said, "I have no idea." The TD overheard and looked me up and told me that I was a 489.

Great. Now, what does "489" mean, exactly?

I know that at one time, many moons ago I was considered a strong BCA 7 to a weak 8. But that in recent years my rating fell to a 6 before I pretty much stopped playing tournaments around town (life/work).

Does 489 mean I'm a strong 4? Or is there some math that I'm missing still?

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If you are 489 in Phoenix , you would probably be 589 anywhere else, there are so many strong players out there it is stupid
  
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04-10-2019, 05:22 PM

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If you are 489 in Phoenix , you would probably be 589 anywhere else, there are so many strong players out there it is stupid
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04-10-2019, 05:28 PM

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If you are 489 in Phoenix , you would probably be 589 anywhere else, there are so many strong players out there it is stupid

Fargo doesnít work like that. 489 in Phoenix = 489 in Moscow = 489 in Mayberry


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04-10-2019, 05:36 PM

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If you are 489 in Phoenix , you would probably be 589 anywhere else, there are so many strong players out there it is stupid


Nope, exactly wrong. A 489 in Phoenix is the same as a 489 in NYC, is equally to a 489 in St. Louis etc...

Doesnít matter where youíre from 489 means SVB can spot you 8 games in a race to 9 and still be the favorite.


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Nope, exactly wrong. A 489 in Phoenix is the same as a 489 in NYC, is equally to a 489 in St. Louis etc...

Doesnít matter where youíre from 489 means SVB can spot you 8 games in a race to 9 and still be the favorite.


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Okay, so if I understand this correctly, the idea behind the FARGO thing is to make ratings across the country (maybe the world?) completely transferable, right?

Not like how it used to be, when I could be a 6 here, a 7 in STL, an 8 in NE, and so on.
  
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Fargo doesnít work like that. 489 in Phoenix = 489 in Moscow = 489 in Mayberry


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I once heard that Barney Fife was one heckuva shot. He and Thelma Lou would drive up to Mt. Pilot and play in a Jack-n-Jill league.

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Okay, so if I understand this correctly, the idea behind the FARGO thing is to make ratings across the country (maybe the world?) completely transferable, right?



Not like how it used to be, when I could be a 6 here, a 7 in STL, an 8 in NE, and so on.


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04-10-2019, 09:49 PM

Okay, and this may be another dumb question, but how do they arrive at these scores? What are the criteria? Is it just wins and losses, or does FARGO take into account other factors, like a QBR rating?
  
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04-11-2019, 12:10 AM

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So last year I started playing a small tournament in north Phoenix because the guy who started it asked me to come and participate. I ended up playing in it about 7 or 8 times last year.

A week ago I played in it for the first time this year. While I was there, several players were talking about their FARGO score/rating? They asked me what mine was, and I said, "I have no idea." The TD overheard and looked me up and told me that I was a 489.

Great. Now, what does "489" mean, exactly?

I know that at one time, many moons ago I was considered a strong BCA 7 to a weak 8. But that in recent years my rating fell to a 6 before I pretty much stopped playing tournaments around town (life/work).

Does 489 mean I'm a strong 4? Or is there some math that I'm missing still?

Thanks for your replies in advance.
It depends...lol.... I know a couple players that have a Fargo of only mid-500's with a robustness of 20ish to 50ish, that can string 9 ball racks when playing the ghost and win if race is less than 11ish...

Then again, LOLLOLOLOL, I know a BUNCH of players with Fargo ratings in the low to mid 600's, with a robustness of 300ish to 1000ish that can't beat the 9 ball ghost no matter what the rules.

Bottom line: I wouldn't worry about my rating. Just enjoy the game whether your a league player or a die-hard gambler....or like me and can't run 3 balls but love to play.

It goes by to fast to sweat stuff like a number on the internet that's really useless until you get a lot of robustness.

Anyone that has a lot of robustness will have a very close skill level to others in their range.

In the other hand, a player that has a very low robustness #.....lol....well, they may be able to hang with a player with a much higher Fargo rating since they have not yet entered enough info to make the output accurate.

Be VERY CAREFUL if you gamble and go by Fargo ratings with strangers!!!! Very careful!


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04-11-2019, 01:31 AM

It means I will take the 7 and play cheap $200 a game. Jk. Iím around same area my Fargo that is. Not sure how I even have one considering I havenít played in a tournament since 2005.


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Okay, and this may be another dumb question, but how do they arrive at these scores? What are the criteria? Is it just wins and losses, or does FARGO take into account other factors, like a QBR rating?


It is strictly wins and losses. But everyone is linked together like the 6 degrees of separation thing.

I saw on Facebook where they had a booth set up at one of the recent events that shows how youíre connected to SVB.


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Fargo Rate - 04-11-2019, 06:19 AM

If you had a rating systems Master, AA, A, B, C, D, I would put a 489 as a strong B player. Here is how Fargo ranking explains the ratings:


Fargo Ratings have the following approximate correspondence:
800 A top world-class player. About 10-15 players worldwide have ratings that exceed 800.
700 A top regional player in the US –a solid entry in the Grand Master Division or a clear threat to cash in the Master’s Division at the BCAPL Championships – a threat to run six in a row if the break is working. Around top 50 in the Eurotour. World-Class female player.
600 Likely to cash in the BCAPL Open Division but probably won’t make it to the top 32. – may be in Advanced Division, but not likely to cash. Has run three-in-a-row multiple times and maybe four-in-a row a time or two. High Run in 14.1 of 50-60.
500 A good local league player. Runs out first time at the table in about 10% of the games.
400 Runs out first time at the table in about 1% of the games—once or twice a league season.
300 A common level of play for league player. Probably has run a table, but maybe not.
200 beginner level – modestly coordinated --Most likely has never run an 8-ball table
100 beginner level – somewhat uncoordinated

It looks like Mike Page posted a video with an explanation as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=_unbV1pQP9w

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04-11-2019, 06:26 AM

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Haha, why do I get the feeling you're hedging greatly in
your favor? Doesn't matter anyway, I gave up gambling a long time ago.

I might be interested for a couple beers though . . .
ok, gotta be a buck and a half happy hour somewhere..


.. let's see, Arizona - Arkansas, something betweence,
I'm a mile off I-40, kind of an I-40 azb round-up to test the Fargo theory... hmmm
  
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04-11-2019, 06:51 AM

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If you had a rating systems Master, AA, A, B, C, D, I would put a 489 as a strong B player. Here is how Fargo ranking explains the ratings:


489 is a C+ player, you are one level off. Which is about a 6/7 in APA 9 ball if one is not sandbagging. I don't play in APA but my brother in law does, he is a bit better than me and he is maxed out in APA, his Fargo was 599. I have had people tell me I would be at least an 8 in APA and I am a 550.

There are a few players with a sub 50 Fargo in my area. I think they are one eyed one legged pirates with a hook for hands.


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