Help! Filling seems and screw holes; am I using the wrong kind of beeswax?

tjlmbklr

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EDIT: I figured it out how to lesson it a bit but I still have a slight concaved area right over the screw.

I am on the final stretch of my table restoration. What I didn't realize up until recently the used table i bought to restore is an oversize 8' (46"x92"). No problem by me, that is actually my favorite table to play on. But the table has no markings and may have been a homemade table with the slate drilled and fit to the frame after it was known the frame is slightly smaller, more for a 8'. The 16 slate screw holes stick 2.25" past the rails and are in the playing area. I know I could use Bondo but I really am trying to avoid Bondo, its stinky and messy to sand. Plus using bondo nowmeans I have to clean the holes completely free of wax.

So I did the seems and they turned out fine but the screw holes no matter how many times I fill them and shave up the rest with my 4" scraper it has a divot. I setup my Olhausen in the past with the screw hole in the center of the slate and had no issues with wax then.

What is the best thing to do, get different wax? I found this blue stuff online that I thought was well reviewed, but I only used yellow wax in that past. Is my wax too soft?

Should I just scrape all out and Bondo it?

Help! :confused:

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Poolhalljunkie

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EDIT: I figured it out. I added more wax again and switched to a heavy duty standard utility knife blade. I think the 4" blade may have been flexing causing a concaved like crater.

I am on the final stretch of my table restoration. What I didn't realize up until recently the used table i bought to restore is an oversize 8' (46"x92"). No problem by me, that is actually my favorite table to play on. But the table has no markings and may have been a homemade table with the slate drilled and fit to the frame after it was known the frame is slightly smaller, more for a 8'. The 16 slate screw holes stick 2.25" past the rails and are in the playing area. I know I could use Bondo but I really am trying to avoid Bondo, its stinky and messy to sand. Plus using bondo nowmeans I have to clean the holes completely free of wax.

So I did the seems and they turned out fine but the screw holes no matter how many times I fill them and shave up the rest with my 4" scraper it has a divot. I setup my Olhausen in the past with the screw hole in the center of the slate and had no issues with wax then.

What is the best thing to do, get different wax? I found this blue stuff online that I thought was well reviewed, but I only used yellow wax in that past. Is my wax too soft?

Should I just scrape all out and Bondo it?

Help! :confused:

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Scrape it, don't forget to put paper or soft wax in the screw head to help the next guy. Use the search feature as this has been covered before.
 

tjlmbklr

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Scrape it, don't forget to put paper or soft wax in the screw head to help the next guy. Use the search feature as this has been covered before.
Scrape it as in start over and use Bondo?

Scrape it as in use different beeswax m

Scrape it as in I'm not doing it right and need to scrape it better?

Either way I'm hoping to not have to pull the wax out to start over but of I did I will cover the screw heads.

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rexus31

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Start over and use Bondo. The smell will dissipate in a couple hours.

Where will the table be? The reason I ask is a buddy of mine used beeswax on his table in his garage and the daytime temps melted the wax which wept into the cloth and caused a speed bump.
 

tjlmbklr

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Start over and use Bondo. The smell will dissipate in a couple hours.



Where will the table be? The reason I ask is a buddy of mine used beeswax on his table in his garage and the daytime temps melted the wax which wept into the cloth and caused a speed bump.

I think I'll have to. I have put wax in the screw holes like 10 times now and every time I changed they seem to have sunk in a again. Not a lot but enough to not want to cover them up with new cloth.

The table will be in my well cooled house.

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Ssonerai

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a buddy of mine used beeswax on his table in his garage and the daytime temps melted the wax which wept into the cloth and caused a speed bump

That's hot!
We render a fair amount of beeswax some years and it is hard to keep melted in the pot - the surface keeps cooling on the top layer, over top nearly boiling water.

Officially, the melting point is about 145F.
It somewhat softens at body heat, but not much, if you ever chewed any. (forms emulsion)

I don't know enough to know what the ideal seam and hole filler for pool tables is. However, it does sound to me like friend's "bees" wax might not have been the pure stuff.

Or he has one hot garage.

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garczar

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Start over and use Bondo. The smell will dissipate in a couple hours.

Where will the table be? The reason I ask is a buddy of mine used beeswax on his table in his garage and the daytime temps melted the wax which wept into the cloth and caused a speed bump.
Wasn't real beeswax i agree. 145deg is HOT. Where's this dude's garage, Saudi Arabia??
 

rexus31

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That's hot!
We render a fair amount of beeswax some years and it is hard to keep melted in the pot - the surface keeps cooling on the top layer, over top nearly boiling water.

Officially, the melting point is about 145F.
It somewhat softens at body heat, but not much, if you ever chewed any. (forms emulsion)

I don't know enough to know what the ideal seam and hole filler for pool tables is. However, it does sound to me like friend's "bees" wax might not have been the pure stuff.

Or he has one hot garage.

smt

Wasn't real beeswax i agree. 145deg is HOT. Where's this dude's garage, Saudi Arabia??

Knowing him, it wasn't the real stuff. We live in the LA area. I imagine on a 100 degree days it probably touches 120 degrees in there. There's no insulation and it's a flat roof.
 

fastone371

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I think I'll have to. I have put wax in the screw holes like 10 times now and every time I changed they seem to have sunk in a again. Not a lot but enough to not want to cover them up with new cloth.

The table will be in my well cooled house.

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Are you letting it cool enough before scraping??? You know, the whole expands when its hot and contracts when cool. If you scrape it when hot maybe when it cools it shrinks enough to cause your problem.
 

tjlmbklr

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Are you letting it cool enough before scraping??? You know, the whole expands when its hot and contracts when cool. If you scrape it when hot maybe when it cools it shrinks enough to cause your problem.
Tried both.

Non-the-less I scraped it all out and am bondo-ing as we speak.

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