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Lowest deflection shaft - 03-15-2016, 05:11 PM

If someone was gonna buy a LD shaft purely on the lowest deflection and not what feels the best, what one would you buy at 12.5 mm or bigger? The lowest deflection # is only parameter that matters!



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No its really not - 03-15-2016, 05:17 PM

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If someone was gonna buy a LD shaft purely on the lowest deflection and not what feels the best, what one would you buy at 12.5 mm or bigger? The lowest deflection # is only parameter that matters!



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Its really not, sorry its how you play with it, if it hits like an iron pipe it wont help you gain much in my opinion.



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Its really not, sorry its how you play with it, if it hits like an iron pipe it wont help you gain much in my opinion.






I know that isn't the only thing that matters. I'm just asking what people think is the lowest deflecting shaft? What one would you buy "IF" that was the only consideration? 12.5 mm or bigger
  
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03-15-2016, 05:44 PM

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I know that isn't the only thing that matters. I'm just asking what people think is the lowest deflecting shaft? What one would you buy "IF" that was the only consideration? 12.5 mm or bigger
There is no correct answer to that. You'd have to try them yourself. I use a Predator 314-2 FAT shaft that is 13.2mm and it is what I'd consider LD compared to some other shafts that are smaller in diameter at the tip.

For ME, I'd always buy something that is NO LESS than 12.5mm.
  
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03-15-2016, 05:59 PM

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There is no correct answer to that. You'd have to try them yourself. I use a Predator 314-2 FAT shaft that is 13.2mm and it is what I'd consider LD compared to some other shafts that are smaller in diameter at the tip.

For ME, I'd always buy something that is NO LESS than 12.5mm.
I would disagree. Deflection can be measured and so the question can be answered. Not sure enough testing has been done to know, but I think the Predator Vantage might be the answer. Not a shaft I'd want as its way too fat for me (I like 12mm), but it's supposed to be very low deflection even compared to the Z shafts.
  
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03-15-2016, 05:59 PM

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There is no correct answer to that. You'd have to try them yourself. I use a Predator 314-2 FAT shaft that is 13.2mm and it is what I'd consider LD compared to some other shafts that are smaller in diameter at the tip.



For ME, I'd always buy something that is NO LESS than 12.5mm.


I like 'em 12.5 or larger too. I would think under testing (robot or whatever method), one shaft has to be the lowest. I guess there could be a tie. What would you buy "if" that was the only consideration?
  
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I would disagree. Deflection can be measured and so the question can be answered. Not sure enough testing has been done to know, but I think the Predator Vantage might be the answer. Not a shaft I'd want as its way too fat for me (I like 12mm), but it's supposed to be very low deflection even compared to the Z shafts.


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03-15-2016, 06:05 PM

I've heard Meucci Pro is the lowest for a fatter shaft, but I have never shot with one. I don't have anywhere to try a bunch of LD shaft at 12.5 mm or bigger.



Is the 314-2 or 3 still the lowest? Or is it Mezz's HP 2? Vantage?
  
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03-15-2016, 06:06 PM

I play with a 314/2 with a hard kamui brown tip. AND the shaft diameter at around 12.25 to 12.3. And I'm telling u. It has about just as much of low deflection as the z2. But the shaft is thicker. But when u want some real inside English for long thin cut shots. It can do that to. Shaft amd diameter and tip is Really a great combo.
  
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03-15-2016, 06:07 PM

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I would disagree. Deflection can be measured and so the question can be answered. Not sure enough testing has been done to know, but I think the Predator Vantage might be the answer. Not a shaft I'd want as its way too fat for me (I like 12mm), but it's supposed to be very low deflection even compared to the Z shafts.
That is why I said, "You'd have to try them yourself."

I have tried lots of LD shafts and some seem to be more or less LD than others. Even some of the bigger ones seemed to be more LD than some of the lesser ones...and vice versa.

Just because they are advertised as LD doesn't mean they really are. I have two old solid maple shafts that are over 40 years old that are about 12.5mm that deflect less than a new Predator 314-2, in my opinion (with me doing the shooting).
  
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03-15-2016, 06:08 PM

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If someone was gonna buy a LD shaft purely on the lowest deflection and not what feels the best, what one would you buy at 12.5 mm or bigger? The lowest deflection # is only parameter that matters!



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There have been some published test numbers, but it's been awhile. Probably a Predator 314 is as low as anything over 12.5 mm.

Under 12.5 mm, Predator Z is the lowest I've encountered, with the Tiger Pro X not far behind. These both have 11.75 mm tips. Seems it's easier to build a thin very low squirt shaft than a thick one, because there is less mass at the end of the cue. The Platinum tests were in line with various other tests, but this was by no means conclusive.


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03-15-2016, 06:14 PM

I had tried all the available ones 10 years ago. IMO, the predator line was by far the least squirt. The 314 series was the lowest of the 12.75mm shafts, and the Z series was the lowest of the 11.75mm shafts. This was testing by just shooting balls in and seeing how to aim them. Not a controlled test.

Predator had a solid patent, of a hollow area, that the other companies did not try to duplicate. They used other methods of reducing squirt. That predator patent has been expired now for 2 or 3 years. I expect other companies to copy it exactly some day soon. Just a hunch on my part. I know I would copy it if I was a competing company
  
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03-15-2016, 06:17 PM

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That is why I said, "You'd have to try them yourself."



I have tried lots of LD shafts and some seem to be more or less LD than others. Even some of the bigger ones seemed to be more LD than some of the lesser ones...and vice versa.



Just because they are advertised as LD doesn't mean they really are. I have two old solid maple shafts that are over 40 years old that are about 12.5mm that deflect less than a new Predator 314-2, in my opinion (with me doing the shooting).


Ok, I sort of get what u are saying. I could shoot with ur shaft and it could possibly deflect more than when ur using it? If that's true, then I guess we need to add, who makes the lowest amount of deflection when robot is pulling the trigger. Everyone knows what I'm asking.



Tiger claims to have a "no deflection" shaft (Tiger Pro X) I don't know how that's true, but its 11.75
  
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Jacoby Hybrid - 03-15-2016, 06:21 PM

At 12.75 the Jacoby Hybrid has little squirt to allow for on shots up to 4 diamonds of cue ball object ball separation but then again so does the Ob equivalent and it hits better. The Jacoby hits too hard for me.



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03-15-2016, 06:30 PM

I've seen the Platinum numbers, but a lot of LD shafts wasn't on there. Mezz, Meucci Pro, SS360, Edge, OB Plus, Vantage etc
  
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