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09-12-2019, 01:49 PM

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I wonder if the poster wants to know where to place his hand, for maximum efficiency. I like to place my hand about 2-3 inches forward of my natural gripping area, to give my arm more strength in the task at hand.
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09-12-2019, 04:11 PM

There is one other aspect where grip tension affects the break and that's when players intentionally tighten the grip just prior to impact. The grab causes the cue stick to lunge forward slightly causing an increase in speed right at impact. Sometimes there's a wrist flick that accompanies the grab, adding even a little more speed.
  
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09-12-2019, 05:01 PM

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There is one other aspect where grip tension affects the break and that's when players intentionally tighten the grip just prior to impact. The grab causes the cue stick to lunge forward slightly causing an increase in speed right at impact. Sometimes there's a wrist flick that accompanies the grab, adding even a little more speed.
I think lots of Filipino players have the loose wrist/grip style you're describing. It's too much movement for me, but it looks like they get more, smoother action with less effort.

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ok dave - 09-19-2019, 05:29 PM

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The following video gets recommended to many people by YouTube, because it has been viewed by a lot of people interested in pool already (over 800,000 views in 9 months), and YouTube thinks other people like you interested in pool will also like it:

Top 10 Pool Shots Amateurs Play Wrong … and How to Play Them Right

I don't have any power or choice in this matter.

Concerning my "prescription," I do have a PhD and a DP (Doctorate of Pool), and I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express recently, so I most definitely recommend that you and others watch the video.

And if you like it, I have others similar to it here:

Dr. Dave's "Top 10" instructional series on YouTube

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PS: Hi ... I'm Dave ... I'm an amateur pool player ... and I sometimes make the mistakes my videos say amateurs make but shouldn't.
yea I would question yer sales pitch with that term "amateurs" and I guess with those top shots u are illustrating u figure to not shoot em wrong repeatedly - even though u are indeed an amateur. If you ever run 200 + playing 14.1 feel free to send me that video. I sell my 351 for $40.00 american if you are interested. I know that you are an academic and that is your sales pitch - the amateurs do wrong ha ha. I would add that your opening pitch should be top ten mistakes academics make wrong - elusively comparing yourself to a pro is kinda weak and besides there is more money in being a doctor or acadimick' than that of a pro trying to survive in a nation of bar leagues. No thanks on your offer bout sending me more instructional homework in relation to pool or billiards I am far superior to you in either discipline sir (u would really need to hit the books hard before screwing your crew together in competition wit me). And it does say recommended by dr. dave, so please take me off the amateur academic lisp'. Thank you sir in advance. Ohh this first lesson is free - staying at the holiday in won't help you accomplish a 200 ball run unless your dreaming about it in your sleep while staying there. "I never sleep, just open my eyes. - Chuck Norris

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09-20-2019, 04:52 AM

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yea I would question yer sales pitch with that term "amateurs" and I guess with those top shots u are illustrating u figure to not shoot em wrong repeatedly - even though u are indeed an amateur. If you ever run 200 + playing 14.1 feel free to send me that video. I sell my 351 for $40.00 american if you are interested. I know that you are an academic and that is your sales pitch - the amateurs do wrong ha ha. I would add that your opening pitch should be top ten mistakes academics make wrong - elusively comparing yourself to a pro is kinda weak and besides there is more money in being a doctor or acadimick' than that of a pro trying to survive in a nation of bar leagues. No thanks on your offer bout sending me more instructional homework in relation to pool or billiards I am far superior to you in either discipline sir (u would really need to hit the books before screwing your crew together in competition wit me. And it does say recommended by dr. dave, so please take me off the amateurs lisp'. Thank you sir in advance. Ohh this first lesson is free - staying at the holiday in won't help you accomplish a 200 ball run unless your dreaming about it in your sleep while staying there. "I never sleep, just open my eyes. - Chuck Norris
So your point is minor pro players are dicks?

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09-20-2019, 05:23 AM

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I've had problems with my grip my whole life, been to instructors to try to figure it out, but it didn't help. The grip I play with the most is just the hand and wrist at normal relaxed position and cue cradled by middle two fingers. I am most accurate with this grip but I don't get as much action from the CB unless I use more ummmppphh! After awhile I feel like I'm just pushing the cue around with no feel, like having a log attached to my elbow, I then switch to the grip where my thumb and forefinger are cradling the cue and then I rotate my pinky and hand away from the cue. With this grip I get a lot more action with minimal force, but feel I lose some accuracy with longer shots due to more deflection with the looser grip. I used to fight switching back and fortth but just do it now as needed. I've always played at the highest level(handicap) in any league I've been in and have beaten a few pros as I used to play some of them on a regular basis. I don't fight it anymore and found out from some instructors that there are pro level players with more problems than this, but I still wish I could figure it out .. must be a BRAIN malfunction thing!
Is more "umph" more wrist action to you? More cue ball roll distance? More draw? I have some ideas for you but need more information.


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I knew a fellow that thought he was a good boxer because he was in a position to befriend a lot of "professional boxers". It cost him azzwhippens till he realized he wasn't what he thought/wished he was.

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here's an idea - 09-20-2019, 03:53 PM

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Is more "umph" more wrist action to you? More cue ball roll distance? More draw? I have some ideas for you but need more information.
oops wrong post, i am so used to people attacking me on this forum as of late - I automatically go into defensive mode.

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09-20-2019, 04:01 PM

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I go to utube and Dr. Dave (amateur) has a instructional video "recommended for me" some thin' bout top ten shots amateur's play wrong. David are u trying to write me a a prescriptshun' for how to treat your sympom. Or are u pretending to be a some sort of pro scholar? Either way people who recommend' something' to others they have never met are probably focused on trying to write a prescript - and it's their disease.
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Thumbs up nope - 09-20-2019, 04:12 PM

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So your point is minor pro players are dicks?

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No not really that at all, Dr. Dave seems genuine enough and probably not a bad dude, I just do not care for the recommended for u stuff. What is really bizarre is he prolly makes alot more denaro with his pitch about what amateurs do wrong than I do giving pool lessons. I guarantee I can run circles round him when it comes to billiard instruction, just as I am sure he has more books on billiards than i do. I will decide what is recommended for me, when i see 'recommended for you' I never click it (even if I am interested.) I guess I don't belong on social media is probably the best answer. Maybe that will change, as it's mostly fake news anyhue. An amateur trying to teach me bout anythin pool related is definitely fake news. I guess he has a contract with you tube and they thought it might interest me - they were wrong.
  
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glisten - 09-20-2019, 04:15 PM

I heard once that not all that glistens is gold, has anyone seen sparkle84 lately is he ok?
  
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09-20-2019, 04:19 PM

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Yes. This has been measured a couple of times. Basically it is a measurement of how rigidly the hand can hold the stick. Compared to how hard the tip is, the hand is very soft and springy. The bottom line is that by holding the stick very, very tightly, you might increase the effective mass of the stick by something like 1% which will get less than 1% increase in ball velocity.

So yes, a very tight grip (and the same stick speed) will move the cue ball very slightly faster. A very tight grip has disadvantages mentioned above.

Beyond that, I think working hard for a small increase in break speed is the wrong thing to work on. Study Corey Deuel
As usual, Bob goes straight to the most pertinent point.
For those wanting to drive themselves crazy looking for a minuscule increase in speed or power, check out this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB8nWQdiQes Not exactly relevant to this discussion but will probably explain all you'd ever want to know about speed, force, mass, momentum, etc. etc.
  
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Has anyone seen Harriman lately? If so, does he seem ok?
I just asked John the same question. He just laughed. You gonna be at the American 14.1 Danny?
  
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