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10 ball defense break? - 09-19-2019, 10:20 PM

Has anyone tried this? Thin the 1 and come behind the pack, you might freeze against a ball and get ball in hand.
  
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09-19-2019, 10:24 PM

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Has anyone tried this? Thin the 1 and come behind the pack, you might freeze against a ball and get ball in hand.
The rules of 10 ball require you to drive four object balls to cushion, IIRC. Have you tried a soft break that complies with that rule?


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09-19-2019, 10:38 PM

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Has anyone tried this? Thin the 1 and come behind the pack, you might freeze against a ball and get ball in hand.
Yeah, I'm not much of a fan of these type of Corey Deuel shenanigans. If Corey had focused on just working on his break rather than trying to figure out gimmicks... He would have won twice the amount of tournaments..
  
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09-19-2019, 11:23 PM

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Has anyone tried this? Thin the 1 and come behind the pack, you might freeze against a ball and get ball in hand.
You can safe break in 10 ball and still break at medium-soft speeds. Only problem is cb/ob collision from corner balls coming around.

Do a cut-style of break and try to put cb on foot rail. If you can get cb there without a wreck, the 10 ball and balls either side of it will be your blockers.

You also have to worry about not making a ball in the side.

Having said that, why not just make a ball on the break and then play safe if you don't have a good offensive shot? I think this option is best.

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09-20-2019, 03:06 AM

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Has anyone tried this? Thin the 1 and come behind the pack, you might freeze against a ball and get ball in hand.
No, no and again, NO.
  
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09-20-2019, 05:28 AM

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09-20-2019, 05:33 AM

Imo, the reason you don't see unconventional breaks used by the top level players is because they aren't more successful that conventional ones.

Like many things, what is used are the best practices, derived from much game play over time.
  
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09-20-2019, 06:42 AM

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Yeah, I'm not much of a fan of these type of Corey Deuel shenanigans. If Corey had focused on just working on his break rather than trying to figure out gimmicks... He would have won twice the amount of tournaments..
The gimmicks are probably what interested him. He won tons of cash and rode pretty high for a long time.

I love critiques from a guy about how a pro should have won more. How many US Open titles do you have Russ?


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09-20-2019, 06:51 AM

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The gimmicks are probably what interested him. He won tons of cash and rode pretty high for a long time.

I love critiques from a guy about how a pro should have won more. How many US Open titles do you have Russ?
Execution and knowledge arent dependent upon each other, you know that.

The NFL/ MLB have many examples of coaches who never won the big one as players.

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09-20-2019, 07:54 AM

What's funny is there's a better argument to be made that Corey would have won LESS without the breaking shenanigans. His soft break won him many tourneys until the rules and other players caught on.
  
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Imo, the reason you don't see unconventional breaks used by the top level players is because they aren't more successful that conventional ones.

Like many things, what is used are the best practices, derived from much game play over time.
Agreed, it's like chess theory. There's a reason book moves are book moves.


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09-20-2019, 10:46 AM

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Has anyone tried this? Thin the 1 and come behind the pack, you might freeze against a ball and get ball in hand.
IMO even if you could achieve this and the break be legal by driving enough balls to the rail, how can you get BIH when your opponent still has the option of a push out.
  
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09-20-2019, 10:50 AM

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Has anyone tried this? Thin the 1 and come behind the pack, you might freeze against a ball and get ball in hand.
If I was gambling at 10-ball...and my opponent wanted to break safe...
...I would not only let him....Id ask to raise the price.


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09-20-2019, 12:22 PM

I almost tried a safe break in 9 ball in this tourney with terrible racks,balls,cloth. I couldn’t make a consistent ball at all and it was looser break so I was stuck opening the balls for someone else. I didn’t try since I’d never practiced but I will now in case I see this same situation again. Pretty sad state of affairs
  
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09-20-2019, 01:28 PM

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If I was gambling at 10-ball...and my opponent wanted to break safe...
...I would not only let him....Id ask to raise the price.
I knew some savvy poster like yourself would come to the rescue.

I agree, if you have the breaks, and then you are basically giving it up. You are saying "no thanks" and then handing it over to your opponent. Why on earth would anyone do that? Why would someone NOT want the breaks.

I mean, if you are playing SVB, and you break dry, he's gonna run on you. So what. At least if you make something, you control the game from the beginning. Seems counterproductive.


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