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08-31-2019, 03:27 PM

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That is probably BS. If you have lots of cash like cartels do you can buy military hardware from many suppliers.
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08-31-2019, 03:49 PM

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No, not bs. Tons of sources on this. Here is one:
https://www.economist.com/the-americ...-latin-america
Yes this has been said time and time again. The implication is, that if we in the US would put in place gun control that it would have an effect in Mexico.

I doubt that would be the case.
  
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08-31-2019, 03:55 PM

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Noticed that too, but it wasn't the first thing that caught my eye. Any idea what was used on that guy in the backseat of that truck? Gone.
It looks like the backseat guy blew his own head off
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08-31-2019, 04:02 PM

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Yes this has been said time and time again. The implication is, that if we in the US would put in place gun control that it would have an effect in Mexico.

I doubt that would be the case.
Well, probably not. It is a fact, though, that in many armed conflicts around the world, civilian market guns are imported from the US, especially by guerilla type organizations. Plenty of it in the Balkans. US 50 cal. sniper rifles were especially popular during the turbulent times there for some groups who had problems gettting guns through more regular channels. Expats living in the US would buy and then send these items, that could be hard to source on the illegal market and expensive too. That's probably still true for specialty items like that.

Likewise, criminal organizations also do the same thing. It's often easier and cheaper to just buy the guns than to steal, or buy stolen ones, especially when time is of the essence. If the US had tightened up it's gun laws today, it probably wouldn't make an immidiate difference, as there are so many guns about. After a while, though, alternative sources would have to be found. It wouldn't necessarily be as easy and cheap, but they'd have guns either way.

The Mexican cartels have lots of money, they want the best guns and guns that give prestige. They're not going to buy some ratty ww2 relic or a rusty shotgun, most likely, when they can get factory fresh, customized automatic guns straight from the shop (delivered by a smuggler of course). How much difference the ease (or lack thereof) of procuring quality weapons would make on Mexican violence would only be a guess. Anyway, I don't think it's a relevant point in the US gun debate, and I hardly think anyone is going to convince someone else by appealing to the situation in Mexico. If they do, they're not very smart.

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08-31-2019, 04:13 PM

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Well, probably not. It is a fact, though, that in many armed conflicts around the world, civilian market guns are imported from the US, especially by guerilla type organizations. Plenty of it in the Balkans. US 50 cal. sniper rifles were especially popular during the turbulent times there for some groups who had problems gettting guns through more regular channels. Expats living in the US would buy and then send these items, that could be hard to source on the illegal market and expensive too. That's probably still true for specialty items like that.

Likewise, criminal organizations also do the same thing. It's often easier and cheaper to just buy the guns than to steal, or buy stolen ones, especially when time is of the essence. If the US had tightened up it's gun laws today, it probably wouldn't make an immidiate difference, as there are so many guns about. After a while, though, alternative sources would have to be found. It wouldn't necessarily be as easy and cheap, but they'd have guns either way.

The Mexican cartels have lots of money, they want the best guns and guns that give prestige. They're not going to buy some ratty ww2 relic or a rusty shotgun, most likely, when they can get factory fresh, customized automatic guns straight from the shop (delivered by a smuggler of course). How much difference the ease (or lack thereof) of procuring quality weapons would make on Mexican violence would only be a guess. Anyway, I don't think it's a relevant point in the US gun debate, and I hardly think anyone is going to convince someone else by appealing to the situation in Mexico. If they do, they're not very smart.
It is also a fact that in many of these conflicts, the AK-47 is also a fan favorite. This is not a U.S. weapon.


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08-31-2019, 04:22 PM

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It is also a fact that in many of these conflicts, the AK-47 is also a fan favorite. This is not a U.S. weapon.
In many conflict zones, the standard Army issue is AK family weapons. So they're widely available in the theater, especially in the middle east and former Soviet countries. The Russians are also great gun exporters, officially and unofficially, as is the US.

I don't really think it makes a huge difference wether someone has an AK or an M16/M4. I just think the civilian, black market export route is interesting. That is all.
  
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Well, probably not. It is a fact, though, that in many armed conflicts around the world, civilian market guns are imported from the US, especially by guerilla type organizations. Plenty of it in the Balkans. US 50 cal. sniper rifles were especially popular during the turbulent times there for some groups who had problems gettting guns through more regular channels. Expats living in the US would buy and then send these items, that could be hard to source on the illegal market and expensive too. That's probably still true for specialty items like that.

Likewise, criminal organizations also do the same thing. It's often easier and cheaper to just buy the guns than to steal, or buy stolen ones, especially when time is of the essence. If the US had tightened up it's gun laws today, it probably wouldn't make an immidiate difference, as there are so many guns about. After a while, though, alternative sources would have to be found. It wouldn't necessarily be as easy and cheap, but they'd have guns either way.

The Mexican cartels have lots of money, they want the best guns and guns that give prestige. They're not going to buy some ratty ww2 relic or a rusty shotgun, most likely, when they can get factory fresh, customized automatic guns straight from the shop (delivered by a smuggler of course). How much difference the ease (or lack thereof) of procuring quality weapons would make on Mexican violence would only be a guess. Anyway, I don't think it's a relevant point in the US gun debate, and I hardly think anyone is going to convince someone else by appealing to the situation in Mexico. If they do, they're not very smart.
How is gun control working in Mexico?
  
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08-31-2019, 04:38 PM

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The implication is, that if we in the US would put in place gun control that it would have an effect in Mexico.
How could it not? Chicago's tight gun control is largely negated by neighboring loose gun control areas - 2/3 or more of the guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside Chicago.

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How could it not? Chicago's tight gun control is largely negated by neighboring loose gun control areas - 2/3 or more of the guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside Chicago.

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Your statement is either naive or uninformed. There are international arms dealers that supply folks in conflicts, for the kind of cash that the cartels have.

It is ironic that the biggest arms dealer in the world is the US. For controversial conflicts there are nations that will sell arms to those folks that have the cash to purchase them.

There are international mercenary soldiers that have been known to work for drug cartels. Mexico is out of control and you guys want an open border with them.
  
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08-31-2019, 05:09 PM

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No, not bs. Tons of sources on this. Here is one:
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In addition to the various "sporting arms" pictured in your link, the cartels use uparmored SUVs with mounted, belt fed MGs, grenade launchers, RPGs, .50 caliber sniper rifles and a wide assortment of unmodified select fire small arms.

These are not coming across their northern border.


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08-31-2019, 05:21 PM

Does anyone realize the best way to fight the cartels is to:

A. Not buy their drugs
B. Not buy their trafficked humans
C. Not buy their trafficked human organs
D. Not buy their guns

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08-31-2019, 05:32 PM

You know things have gone past the point of no return when a drug gang can attack a military installation with that kind of impunity. And this is not the first time.

The cartels must own a significant number of the elected officials in Mexico to get away with this kind of thing. Perhaps a majority.
  
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You know things have gone past the point of no return when a drug gang can attack a military installation with that kind of impunity. And this is not the first time.

The cartels must own a significant number of the elected officials in Mexico to get away with this kind of thing. Perhaps a majority.
As well as many in the USA.
  
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Does anyone realize the best way to fight the cartels is to:

A. Not buy their drugs
B. Not buy their trafficked humans
C. Not buy their trafficked human organs
D. Not buy their guns

No demand = no market
Thatís the elephant in the room....Canadians and Americans made cartels successful.


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