Nascar switches to go carts so Joe six pack can get in. They make portable tracks that fit in casinos and get kickbacks for bringing in the fish. The National Cart Association gains huge numbers of participants. All the famous Nascar tracks go bust. Thousands of dudes with souped up lawn mowers point to their 5 inch trophies and patch collections...saying "I'm a professional race car driver".
APA e-mails are up, is the APA in trouble?
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Nascar switches to go carts so Joe six pack can get in. They make portable tracks that fit in casinos and get kickbacks for bringing in the fish. The National Cart Association gains huge numbers of participants. All the famous Nascar tracks go bust. Thousands of dudes with souped up lawn mowers point to their 5 inch trophies and patch collections...saying "I'm a professional race car driver".
It's well documented that you are an APA basher...with no real statistics to back you up. The poolroom business has always been cyclical and ebbs and flows by the decade. Failures of poolrooms have been in the past, and continue to be in the present, generally one of two things...either the rent got raised too high, or the room was doomed by mismanagement. Please show me ANY national league-affiliated events not staged at a casino (excluding APA). Whether it's valleys or diamonds, they still are playing on 7' tables, which also continues to have professional tournaments staged on them...often concurrently with a nationally-affiliated amateur event. Most important...Joe Blow from Idaho cares, and so does every person in Joe Blow's town. Grass-roots pool, at it's best. The APA has it right, in appealing to even novice players, that they could potentially advance to, and win a national title! That is the same premise of the new UBL league...that novice players can win a national championship and win $100,000 (as one of my students did earlier this year...although he was one of the best players on the team, not the novice). Sorry SBC, you can try to blame league pool for the demise of your local watering holes...but the facts don't support it. As it's been said before, without league play, there might not be any poolrooms.
Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
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TAP held at SBE in an Expo Center without slot machines.
Equating UPL and APA is asanine.
Who is the bulk of your audience? Let me guess....
Back from a bit of research.
2k pool classes. $ymbolisn over substance.
I say there's no school like old school.
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Again...bashing something you know nothing about. It's not a pool class...it's a four day school. No substance? That just again shows your ignorance about top quality instruction. Prior Predator pool schools sold out at $1500/3 days with 12 students for 3 teachers. This is 8 top professional instructors for 8 students for 32 hours...hardly symbolism over substance. It's also a venue for students to be able to try out a Predator Revo cue, and get a 50% discount on a shaft, if they choose to buy one.
Wow...you managed to come up with a whole "1"! The Rally in the Valley is a local event...not a national one. TAP holds their national tournaments elsewhere. The marketing ideals of both leagues are exactly the same, which is hardly asinine. My audience? That's easy...the 40,000,000 amateur poolplayers out there in just the USA!...especially the top 1,000,000 who, like yourself, love to play pool. Those are the folks who keep pool alive, playing in leagues, tournaments, and for 50,000+ of them, attending a national event once or twice a year. When you're the Professional Instructor of the Year, people seek you out...especially those with open minds...unlike you SBC!
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Wow...you managed to come up with a whole "1"! The Rally in the Valley is a local event...not a national one. TAP holds their national tournaments elsewhere. The marketing ideals of both leagues are exactly the same, which is hardly asinine. My audience? That's easy...the 40,000,000 amateur poolplayers out there in just the USA!...especially the top 1,000,000 who, like yourself, love to play pool. Those are the folks who keep pool alive, playing in leagues, tournaments, and for 50,000+ of them, attending a national event once or twice a year. When you're the Professional Instructor of the Year, people seek you out...especially those with open minds...unlike you SBC!
Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
Again...bashing something you know nothing about. It's not a pool class...it's a four day school. No substance? That just again shows your ignorance about top quality instruction. Prior Predator pool schools sold out at $1500/3 days with 12 students for 3 teachers. This is 8 top professional instructors for 8 students for 32 hours...hardly symbolism over substance. It's also a venue for students to be able to try out a Predator Revo cue, and get a 50% discount on a shaft, if they choose to buy one.
Wow...you managed to come up with a whole "1"! The Rally in the Valley is a local event...not a national one. TAP holds their national tournaments elsewhere. The marketing ideals of both leagues are exactly the same, which is hardly asinine. My audience? That's easy...the 40,000,000 amateur poolplayers out there in just the USA!...especially the top 1,000,000 who, like yourself, love to play pool. Those are the folks who keep pool alive, playing in leagues, tournaments, and for 50,000+ of them, attending a national event once or twice a year. When you're the Professional Instructor of the Year, people seek you out...especially those with open minds...unlike you SBC!
Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
I’m at the Tap nationals at the IP Casino right now.
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Again...bashing something you know nothing about. It's not a pool class...it's a four day school. No substance? That just again shows your ignorance about top quality instruction. Prior Predator pool schools sold out at $1500/3 days with 12 students for 3 teachers. This is 8 top professional instructors for 8 students for 32 hours...hardly symbolism over substance. It's also a venue for students to be able to try out a Predator Revo cue, and get a 50% discount on a shaft, if they choose to buy one.
Wow...you managed to come up with a whole "1"! The Rally in the Valley is a local event...not a national one. TAP holds their national tournaments elsewhere. The marketing ideals of both leagues are exactly the same, which is hardly asinine. My audience? That's easy...the 40,000,000 amateur poolplayers out there in just the USA!...especially the top 1,000,000 who, like yourself, love to play pool. Those are the folks who keep pool alive, playing in leagues, tournaments, and for 50,000+ of them, attending a national event once or twice a year. When you're the Professional Instructor of the Year, people seek you out...especially those with open minds...unlike you SBC!
Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour
Wouldn't pay you 2k to paint my house....
I suspect that there is a professional go cart racing circuit with pro drivers and sponsors,
probably some in the south, maybe in California. If there is such a circuit it probably
draws hobbyists and enthusiasts as well as pro drivers and it’s also likely that some of
these people are dedicated to their particular driving medium and have no desire to drive
cars on a race track. Currently NASCAR draws a pretty good crowd. The NASCAR and
open wheel racing circuit has no need to find different ways to market their product, they
already make a ton of money and don’t need to find a way to build participation but I’m sure
they always look for new ways to make money, like every business.
The difference is NASCAR is in no danger of going bust right now.
The APA got started when pool was pretty much already bust. It has just been an avenue
to bring people to the game and I’ve never met one that shows their trophies and patches
and claims to be a pro pool player.
I’m curious, if there was no APA and never had been one, just how much pool do you
suppose would be available to you today? How many amateur players wouldn’t be amateur
players today if there was no APA, and consequently how many fewer bars, pool halls and
pool tables would be available? and what would the market be like for pool supplies and
for cue makers, tip installers, table mechanics and folks like that? I imagine there would be
far fewer then there are now.
However, if NASCAR should ever find itself in dire financial straits I’d bet they’d take to
go carts, lawn mowers, and casinos like a fish to water.
Scott, I didn’t know you paint houses, what do you charge?
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I feel like paying some of these instructors would be like paying one of these ladie to teach you how to drive.
I mean if pool instructors don't need to be able to play well to teach, that same logic works with other things too?
I am sure some of these ladies would make great teachers
https://vimeo.com/23443325
I mean if pool instructors don't need to be able to play well to teach, that same logic works with other things too?
I am sure some of these ladies would make great teachers
https://vimeo.com/23443325
Are you saying Scott can’t play? I hear he plays pretty sporty.
Taking lessons from those ladies, now that’s a different story.....
I dunno if Scott can play or not, seen a few videos of him shooting, heard some stories, but never played him myself. I hear he is a good coach...
I was a 3 handicap in golf for a long time, and am speaking more from that experience, sure some of the top golf coaches in the world aren't on the level of touring pros when it comes to playing skills, but when they got to get up and demonstrate something on the driving range they sure as heck don't shank the ball out of bounds either or blade the ball over the green going over chipping techniques.
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Have you seen Scott play, either on youtube or in real life, what's pretty sporty?
Only on film (or digital recording) He’s been through town here a few time but I’ve always missed him.
Several of what I’d consider reliable sources tell me he’s an excellent player and teacher
Yeah no shit snooker, that's why Tiger's swing coach has so many more majors than him.
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Exactly. I run a 16 man tournament every other month that I fill up quickly for this reason. Tables open at 11 starts at 12 and is generally over by 5. Then can play pool and still have time to go be with their wife or gf or whatever they want to . I always get comments that that’s a big reason why they enjoy my tournament. Honestly my days of spending and entire weekend sitting around a pool hall waiting for my turn to play is over ... I just have the will for it anymore. Apa I can play with my family and friends who aren’t great players. We still have a chance to win and I can play my match and head home.
And how late do I have to be at a bar tournament.. I have work and responsibilities lol I can’t be at a tournament until 1 in the morning.. Apa I play my match and head home.
There are already guys racing lawn mowers calling themself professional drivers.. and unlike nascar unless you know something I don’t their is no professional tour lol have you ever been to Apa leagues? I’ve never heard anyone calling themself pro’s lol It’s just a bunch of people who are having fun playing pool. Why other people like you get so angry at the thought of people having a good time is beyond me.
God so uneducated...The best instructors in any sport have never won any major tournaments or titles. They understand the game and they are good at seeing your flaws and helping you fix them.
I just joined APA for the first time this season and I find it well worth the 8 dollars I have to pay every week. I am happy that the APA as a whole is making money and doing well because that means it will continue exist.
Sure it has some minor problems but very few things in life are perfect. In this case the good far outweighs the bad.
On the coaching aspect, I have not had a chance to take a pool lesson from anyone yet, however if you look at almost all pro sports the most recognized coaches were almost never the best participants in their sport.
Sure it has some minor problems but very few things in life are perfect. In this case the good far outweighs the bad.
On the coaching aspect, I have not had a chance to take a pool lesson from anyone yet, however if you look at almost all pro sports the most recognized coaches were almost never the best participants in their sport.
Ignorance? I think you mean ability to spot scams. It may be great for the LO's to make cash and people that love their participation trophies..maybe free t-shirts. Most players that play well won't play because they prefere cash league like BCA, NAPA, VNEA, TAP or in-house leagues. Your percentage of top local players that play APA are single digits at best. They don't want to deal people *****ing about how many innings a game was or whether or not a shot was a defense...save that for the newbies. You should get out more
Dude not a month goes by that some league hack doesn't tell me they could have gone pro. I usually just smile and indulge them like they were a delusional child. On occasion I can't stomach it any longer so I offer up the 7 out and all the breaks. Then they start taking about their glove being at the dry cleaners or that only dirtbag pool players bet on pool.
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