Low deflection / Low squirt shaft comparison

Patrick Johnson · May 4, 2015

Here's another data point for your list - my custom-engineered low-squirt cue with a 10mm hollow tip, small thin ferrule and conical (stiff) taper has a pivot length of about 20 inches (carefully measured by the "aim and pivot" method at high shot speed to eliminate swerve).

pj
chgo

Eagleshot · May 4, 2015

Patrick Johnson said:
Here's another data point for your list - my custom-engineered low-squirt cue with a 10mm hollow tip, small thin ferrule and conical (stiff) taper has a pivot length of about 20 inches (carefully measured by the "aim and pivot" method at high shot speed to eliminate swerve).

pj
chgo

We'll call that a 1.5

A friend of mine has a similar shaft but his is 8mm (not hollow) conical taper, and I swear the thing doesn't squirt at all. It's all swerve. I think that's harder to adjust to.

It looks ridiculous.

Patrick Johnson · May 4, 2015

Eagleshot said:
It's all swerve. I think that's harder to adjust to.

I agree that swerve is the more difficult factor to estimate in the squirt/swerve combination, but I don't know whether combined squirt/swerve is harder to estimate with less squirt. I suspect not because squirt is more of a "constant".

pj
chgo

hang-the-9 · May 5, 2015

Patrick Johnson said:
I don't believe this is true. What makes you think so?

pj
chgo

I don't know if it's a fact about masse bring harder with a LD shaft, but if it is, it may be for the same properties that make them hard to jump with.

hang-the-9 · May 5, 2015

jburkm002 said:
Still like to see a comparison not only between LD shafts but also standard maple shafts. Since some say it is all hype.

The hype may be that if you get an LD shaft you will automatically play better, the fact that they defect less is a fact. You need a shaft that will match how you aim and stoke the ball, not just one that has the least deflection.

hang-the-9 · May 5, 2015

Eagleshot said:
Which Tiger shaft did you use? I hear the Tiger Pro X is very low squirt.

That may well have been that one and not the one you had listed, it had a small white ferrule, but I did not check the model, was probably about 12mm.

Eagleshot · May 5, 2015

hang-the-9 said:
The hype may be that if you get an LD shaft you will automatically play better, the fact that they defect less is a fact. You need a shaft that will match how you aim and stoke the ball, not just one that has the least deflection.

This is the whole purpose of this thread. Personally, I could not play with the lowest squirt shafts I have listed. The bridge length would be too long for me. I like a bridge length between 12.5 and 13.5".

jburkm002 · May 5, 2015

hang-the-9 said:
The hype may be that if you get an LD shaft you will automatically play better, the fact that they defect less is a fact. You need a shaft that will match how you aim and stoke the ball, not just one that has the least deflection.

Agreed. I have only recently switched full time to an LD shaft. Kinda like someone said. The best cue is the one you have been playing with for 20 years. Guess the question is. If you get a new cue and it doesn't have the same deflection as your old one. Would you want it to have more or less deflection? I got a new cue with maple shafts. Way to much deflection. So it kinda forced me to swith to an LD shaft.

Eagleshot · May 5, 2015

Eagleshot said:
*****This should not turn into a shaft bashing thread. High or low squirt / deflection does not mean good or bad shafts. This is only an attempt at helping those interested find the shafts most suited to the individual searching.

1 = minimal squirt / deflection. 10 = high squirt / deflection

These #'s are subjective but with enough input we can give a fairly accurate comparison.

Scale # - Brand - Model - Diameter - Pivot point"

1.5 - Custom - Patrick Johnson 10mm - 20
4.0 - OB - 2+ 11.75mm - ?
4.5 - OB - Pro + 11.75mm - ?
4.5 - Predator - Z-3 11.75mm - ?
4.5 - Mezz - WX 900 12mm. - ?
5.0 - Tiger - X Pro 11.75mm - ?
5.0 - Predator - Z2 11.75mm - 14
5.0 - Mezz - Ex Pro 12.5mm - ?
5.0 - Mezz - Hybrid Pro II 12.5mm - ?
5.5 - Predator - 314-3 12.75mm - ?
5.5 - OB - Classic + 12.75mm - 13.25
6.0 - Jacoby - Hybrid Edge 12.5mm - 12.75
6.0 - Predator - 314-2 12.75mm - 12.5
6.0 - Mezz - WD700 12.5mm - 12.5
6.5 - Players - HXT 12.75mm - 11.5
7.0 - Mezz - Hybrid Alpha 12.8mm - ?
9.0 - Tiger - Ultra X LD 12.75mm - 8
9.5 - Prather - 13mm reg. shaft - 7

**** the "?" For pivot point means we do not have the data, the shaft is listed based on best guess. We can update when data comes in.

Updated scale #'s closer representing pivot point data and based on user input.

Also updated on page 1

SUPERSTAR · Jun 3, 2015

Is there a "tip" factor that fits into all this? Soft vs Hard, etc etc?
I feel like it's two different worlds when a hard tip is on a shaft and i swap it out for a soft mushy one.
It's goes from having no idea what is going on and how to aim, to being in control.
Surely squirt/deflection has some basis in the type of tip one uses?

dr_dave · Jun 3, 2015

SUPERSTAR said:
Is there a "tip" factor that fits into all this? Soft vs Hard, etc etc?
I feel like it's two different worlds when a hard tip is on a shaft and i swap it out for a soft mushy one.
It's goes from having no idea what is going on and how to aim, to being in control.
Surely squirt/deflection has some basis in the type of tip one uses?

FYI, this topic is covered in detail on the cue tip hardness effects resource page.

As shown in the following video and article, the type and hardness of tip doesn't seem to make much difference concerning squirt (CB deflection):

NV D.15 - Cue and Tip Testing for Cue Ball Deflection (Squirt)

"Cue Tip Squirt Testing" (BD, June, 2014)

Enjoy,
Dave

Drop The Rock · Jun 3, 2015

hmm

Uhhhh so I don't pivot...I just get done and line up with left or right english...

carter1984 · Jun 3, 2015

I noticed no mention of the Fury EXII Shafts in this thread anywhere. It would be nice to see how those compare

Cornerman · Jun 30, 2018

Bump

I think we need to add/update this list.

Freddie <~~~ Tiger Ultra X LD

JoeyA · Jul 1, 2018

Give it up for this Lazarus thread.

JoeyA

Cornerman said:
Bump

I think we need to add/update this list.

Freddie <~~~ Tiger Ultra X LD

Valiant Thor · Jul 2, 2018

Shaft comparison

Check out seyberts (tuned) predator z shaft.

Cornerman · Jul 10, 2018

Anyone have a ferrule-less regular shaft that they can give a ranking within the first post's list?

I have several, but I haven't picked one of them up to test it in a while, and I'm not home, so CRS Syndrome prevents me from doing it myself.

Freddie <~~~ needs CRS pills

asbani · Jul 10, 2018

Add the Universal Shaft too.

calibration · Jul 10, 2018

Advantage

I am not attempting to skew this discussion but

I have played with many a great custom cue maker shafts but until I played with a VANTAGE predator I never could really determine a difference. This was an obvious difference... I aim and shoot no thinking needed

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