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08-05-2013, 10:20 AM

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The TAD Cup is a great tournament for B players in Southern California. Like all handicapped tournaments, it will never exist without a certain measure of butt-hurtness and controversy.
Will you be giving a blow-by-blow on your blog?

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08-05-2013, 10:21 AM

Love it... all pet peeves of mine. But a great story involving the last gripe. That happened to my uncle and I about 6 times. However they didn't realize that they were giving my uncle a bye. He was open speed, at that time if I broke an ran 1 rack out of a hundred, 2 shots must have went in by accident. We used to laugh about it. He would win, and we would split anyways. But letting my uncle play me first was a great warm up for him... I was a $ 20.00 dollar buffer...

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Happens all the time and it isn't a big deal.

Tons of stuff are not fair and I can make a list...okay I will name a few.

1. Tournament starts at 12:00, Calcutta at 11:00. Telephone calls are made and folks announce that "Bob" and "John" are on the way but aren't here yet. Calcutta goes off and then at 12:00. Bob and John aren't here yet, we wait and the tournament either starts late or we "go around them" until they show up.

or

2. Calcutta starts at 11:00, we go through the Calcutta , NOW, a couple more players shows up. I have bought a couple and now two top players show up and they say lets let them in. You can buy them if you want, so its fair right? No because the guys I bought now finish 4 and 5 and these ya-hoos finish ahead and push my horses out of the Calcutta!

or

3 WPBA - Seeding players. geez, no wonder the same folks always end in the finals. ALL YOU ALLISON lovers out there, before you tell me how great she, tell me how her top finishes were in the DCC were there ISNT seeding in tournaments.

or

4. You and your friend go about 100 miles for a regional tournament and there are about 64 players in the tournament. IN THE FIRST ROUND, you play your friend. HOW MANY FREAKIN TIMES DOES THIS HAPPEN? (Often if you are me). Do you have ANY idea the odds of this happening once? twice? Something is shady and it happens often, very often.

My point? There are tons of $hit in pool at all levels. Did you friend get a dirty deal? Yep he did. YOU can either get over it, or not. But this isn't the first time and it sure as hell aint going to be the last time.

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08-05-2013, 10:26 AM

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08-05-2013, 10:26 AM

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Will you be giving a blow-by-blow on your blog?

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Probably not. I think this was the only real controversy worth mentioning. I didn't hear about it until I was KO'd and Player A had brought in the thread printout for the pool room to read.

Besides, I have a backlog of event summaries to do and I am extremely lazy.

  
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08-05-2013, 10:41 AM

All I'm saying is, I should have played. Haha.
  
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08-05-2013, 10:42 AM

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Sounds like you live life passively. "He did a shitty thing. Let's shut up about it and move on with life. While we're at it, let's not make a big deal about it, this way it can happen more and more."

I am not a sheep. I will not sit by idly and let this happen. Nor do I think any of the players think the way you do, who paid $50 or $75 to enter.
Chris -

Nope. But after a while I have learned that I am the fish (and you are too), and we are swimming upstream.

You can *****, moan, groan etc. It will never make it right, and IT WILL happen again, if not this way, some other way as I noted.

Vote with your dollars verses your mouth. I say that, but pool players have so little places to play and options, that I sometimes go back to places where I have been wronged.

I have pretty much stopped playing in tournaments as there is always some type of bull$hit that you have to put up as I noted earlier. Do you think I didn't gripe when it was done? Yep, I did. But did it stop? Nope.

Chris, I wish you the best of rolls my friend. I feel your pain.

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08-05-2013, 10:48 AM

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Chris -

Nope. But after a while I have learned that I am the fish (and you are too), and we are swimming upstream.

You can *****, moan, groan etc. It will never make it right, and IT WILL happen again, if not this way, some other way as I noted.

Vote with your dollars verses your mouth. I say that, but pool players have so little places to play and options, that I sometimes go back to places where I have been wronged.

I have pretty much stopped playing in tournaments as there is always some type of bull$hit that you have to put up as I noted earlier. Do you think I didn't gripe when it was done? Yep, I did. But did it stop? Nope.

Chris, I wish you the best of rolls my friend. I feel your pain.

Ken
Many things in life suck, and complaining and making a stand DOES make a difference, even if it isn't evident immediately. What he did won't be done again, and no promoter or director at Hard Times will ever make the same mistake again. Sure we'll always have the sandbaggers and the sharks, but what we won't have is match replays based on a complaint of this nature.
  
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08-05-2013, 11:14 AM

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Many things in life suck, and complaining and making a stand DOES make a difference, even if it isn't evident immediately. What he did won't be done again, and no promoter or director at Hard Times will ever make the same mistake again. Sure we'll always have the sandbaggers and the sharks, but what we won't have is match replays based on a complaint of this nature.
Chris -

I am an old man of 49 (almost 50), and I will bet you any amount that the event next year WILL have an issue. Maybe not the same one, but an issue never the less.

Never been to any event that everyone was happy. Human nature, maybe?


I agree replaying the match showed how weak the TD was and was flat out wrong.

But don't think there wont be issues, even the same issue next year. Sorry just 30-40 years of experience talking.

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08-05-2013, 11:21 AM

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I think your scenario is a bit of a different animal, Lyn.

I get what you're saying here, but it seems your example was an error on the TD's part.
That said, the TD (in my opinion) in your example should have A) given you the option, and/or B) given the "late" player (prepaid or not) either his money back or left him on the one-loss side.
And unless the "Late Prepaid Player" called the TD to let him know that they were running late (in which case the TD would have/could have 'postponed' your match with him), then the LPP is... quite frankly... LATE.

If that's the case, then the LPP should be on time if he wants to play his first match.

To try and align your example with the OP's a bit more:

What if (instead of the prepaid player being late), you had played said prepaid player and beaten him/her ? And then that player chose to go to the TD or promoter, who then suggested that you play a rematch ?

I think the question posed such as this is more in line with what the OP has presented...

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You are absolutely correct!!! Not a good analogy. Just a unusual situation at a pool tournament. If this is the worst thing to happen to me at a pool tournament, I wouldn't give it a second thought.

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08-05-2013, 11:37 AM

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Many things in life suck, and complaining and making a stand DOES make a difference, even if it isn't evident immediately. What he did won't be done again, and no promoter or director at Hard Times will ever make the same mistake again. Sure we'll always have the sandbaggers and the sharks, but what we won't have is match replays based on a complaint of this nature.
I agree with you.

Making a stand DOES make a difference, even if it isn't evident immediately.


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08-05-2013, 11:43 AM

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It's for amateurs. I know amateurs. I've played amateurs. When it comes to shooting balls, OMGWTF is no amateur!

Tate,

I've seen OMGWTF play a couple times. She is a good female player but still an amateur.
I work 40 hours per week and consider myself a good amateur player. I'm sure she would not want to play me for any large sum, but I could be wrong.



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08-05-2013, 11:45 AM

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This is the strangest thing I have ever heard. And makes my next question even more important,
I am not too far away from Sacremento and was planning on going to Hardtimes for the first time as it looks amazing. Although I'd like to watch the top players I would like to play in a tournament.

Which one should I play in? Weekly or Monthly?

What level will I be? I class myself a B player but am not sure as I am new to the area and the level seems somehwat higher than where I was before. I do not want to make the trip and get shafted in this rating system.
I don't live out there, so don't know all the tourney details, but to answer your question....

Play in the weekly. Expect to be placed at a higher level and play the game. Go each week and eventually your handicap will find the correct level. At that point, you'll be a regular with the right handicap.

People should not go into a tourney and pine for a lower handicap. If you don't like your handicap, don't play.


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08-05-2013, 11:45 AM

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...but still I think this whole situation falls into the Best Evidence doctrine. We here at AZ, being the judge and jury in all matters pool, deserve the best evidence ...
Under California rules of evidence, the best evidence rule (BER) provides that, where a writing, photograph, or recording is offered in evidence, a copy or other secondary evidence of its content will not be received in place of the original document unless an adequate explanation is offered for the absence of the original. Here, we are not dealing with player b's writing, photograph, or recording, but his oral statement to Mr. Skyscraper. Therefore, the BER does not apply, and the best way to get b's statement admitted into evidence is probably through the "spontaneous statement" exception to hearsay.
  
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Under California rules of evidence, the best evidence rule (BER) provides that, where a writing, photograph, or recording is offered in evidence, a copy or other secondary evidence of its content will not be received in place of the original document unless an adequate explanation is offered for the absence of the original. Here, we are not dealing with player b's writing, photograph, or recording, but his oral statement to Mr. Skyscraper. Therefore, the BER does not apply, and the best way to get b's statement admitted into evidence is probably through the "spontaneous statement" exception to hearsay.
Can't we just subpoena player A, B the TD and The Sponsor and hear direct testimony?

I'm submitting your BER argument to Julianna Margulies (I don't want to bother the partners with simple rules of law).

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Under California rules of evidence, the best evidence rule (BER) provides that, where a writing, photograph, or recording is offered in evidence, a copy or other secondary evidence of its content will not be received in place of the original document unless an adequate explanation is offered for the absence of the original. Here, we are not dealing with player b's writing, photograph, or recording, but his oral statement to Mr. Skyscraper. Therefore, the BER does not apply, and the best way to get b's statement admitted into evidence is probably through the "spontaneous statement" exception to hearsay.
He's coming on here soon to spell it all out for those of you who would rather believe that Player A is innocent and that the rules should be bent to benefit him. Or you would rather believe that this was all made up. I don't really know why you want to think I am lying or twisting this story. It is simple and there is no mystery or underlying cause for him to do what he did that would make it OK.
  
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