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How would you Get out? - 09-11-2019, 11:55 AM

Lost hill-hill to an SL-7 the other night. I am solids. Dude had one of his only misses of the entire match and left me here. Thought I had an easy run-out for the epic upset. Didn't happen.



My initial plan was to cheat the pocket just a bit, hit top-left on the 4. But upon closer inspection, any follow more than likely hits the 9 on the rail. Ended up opting to cheat the pocket with draw in hopes of bringing the cue ball out to the middle. I was pretty extended out, and I suck at getting good draw when I am over extended. Cue ends up in line with the five below the side pocket, leaving me a long, thin cut on the 6, which I proceeded to overcut. Dude runs out for the win.

Was it a solid plan with poor execution, or should I have been thinking something totally different. Thanks in advance for the tips!
  
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09-11-2019, 12:09 PM

I donít see a 5 ball.


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09-11-2019, 12:14 PM

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Lost hill-hill to an SL-7 the other night. I am solids. Dude had one of his only misses of the entire match and left me here. Thought I had an easy run-out for the epic upset. Didn't happen.



My initial plan was to cheat the pocket just a bit, hit top-left on the 4. But upon closer inspection, any follow more than likely hits the 9 on the rail. Ended up opting to cheat the pocket with draw in hopes of bringing the cue ball out to the middle. I was pretty extended out, and I suck at getting good draw when I am over extended. Cue ends up in line with the five below the side pocket, leaving me a long, thin cut on the 6, which I proceeded to overcut. Dude runs out for the win.

Was it a solid plan with poor execution, or should I have been thinking something totally different. Thanks in advance for the tips!
There is no 5 ball in the diagram. Anyway, it was the correct way to play it with poor execution. Depending on how much angle/room you had to cheat the pocket, you could even draw all the way down to the rail by the 7 and back out just to ensure you end up in a nice place.


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09-11-2019, 12:16 PM

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I don’t see a 5 ball.
Neither do I. Aside from that, cue ball rail first for the 4 would have likely gotten you shape on the 6.


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09-11-2019, 12:22 PM

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I donít see a 5 ball.
My bad. Meant 6, not 5.
  
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09-11-2019, 12:38 PM

Besides the option you tried, you could also draw straight back if there was absolutely no angle, crash into one of the balls near the side, and take a chance that the carom would send you in a direction where you could make the 6 or 7. Of course, this requires a super strong draw stroke, which is very difficult as you mentioned, due to the reach required for this shot.

Another option is playing safe. Bunt the 4 into the long rail very slightly, with the speed it ends up in front of the corner pocket, blocking the 9. And play the CB on the end rail somewhere between the 1st and second diamond. Now, the 9 ball doesn't go in either corner pocket (the 8 blocks the other corner), and then you can play cat and mouse from that position. The biggest pro to this option IMO is the execution is very likely to be perfect, even stretched over the table.

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09-11-2019, 12:39 PM

I may have played the 4 ball off the rail with draw...if I made it I likely would have come out closer to the center of the table.
  
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09-11-2019, 01:02 PM

If you’re definitely hitting the 9 going forward I’m loading it with right and spinning off the 9 and towards the center of the table.

That or drawing into one of those balls down the side.

Hard to tell without being at the table.

I remember watching Shane practicing a much longer version of the rail-fist shot: low-inside, hooking to the opposite long rail and spinning out.

It’s a nice shot to have and doesn’t take long to get a feel for.
  
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09-11-2019, 01:12 PM

Rail first should not even be a consideration here. If there's enough angle to follow into the 9, there's enough angle to draw back towards the 7. And if it's a valley, which most APA leagues play on to my knowledge, you could pretty much get the cue ball to any spot on the table with this shot.


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09-11-2019, 01:16 PM

If there any angle on the 4 stun it with inside draw to get on the 1, the 5 in side and 2 balls at bottom corner.

If no angle on 4, meme 4 and drawn back for 6 then 7. Then 5, 1 and out.

On a barbox this out isn't hard. Identify the 5 and 1 as the tricky position shots and plan the out.
  
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09-11-2019, 01:18 PM

there is no 5 or 1 thats the 13 and 9. He only has the 6 and 7 on the table


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09-11-2019, 01:47 PM

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Rail first should not even be a consideration here.
If you've practiced them this one's a gimme with natural medium speed shape. Way easier and more reliable than other options - if you've practiced them.

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09-11-2019, 02:09 PM

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If you've practiced them this one's a gimme with natural medium speed shape. Way easier and more reliable than other options - if you've practiced them.

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Respectfully disagree. The draw shot will always be a higher percentage make than rail first. And if you come short off the 2nd rail and get thin on the 6, you're going into the 7 and something could get funny. Drawing all the way down and out is the best shot by a long ways here, and anyone who thinks a rail first will give them a better outcome just needs to practice their draw stroke IMO.


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09-11-2019, 02:27 PM

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Respectfully disagree. The draw shot will always be a higher percentage make than rail first. And if you come short off the 2nd rail and get thin on the 6, you're going into the 7 and something could get funny. Drawing all the way down and out is the best shot by a long ways here, and anyone who thinks a rail first will give them a better outcome just needs to practice their draw stroke IMO.
I agree. If the ball was close to the pocket, maybe rail first. But, assuming this was a bar box, that is not a difficult reach at all. Just have to get comfortable and ensure you hit it good. Being only 2 diamonds away, that's not a hard draw for just about anyone that has played pool a little.


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09-11-2019, 02:38 PM

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Respectfully disagree. The draw shot will always be a higher percentage make than rail first. And if you come short off the 2nd rail and get thin on the 6, you're going into the 7 and something could get funny. Drawing all the way down and out is the best shot by a long ways here, and anyone who thinks a rail first will give them a better outcome just needs to practice their draw stroke IMO.
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I agree. If the ball was close to the pocket, maybe rail first. But, assuming this was a bar box, that is not a difficult reach at all. Just have to get comfortable and ensure you hit it good. Being only 2 diamonds away, that's not a hard draw for just about anyone that has played pool a little.
I agree the draw shot isn't that difficult, but for me neither is the rail first shot in this layout - and it's a little easier to hit well with less speed and a little more predictable CB path.

Maybe it's personal preference.

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