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10-19-2019, 03:08 PM

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Thank you. Were there specific things in the new video that you liked more than others? I'm curious to know what people think because I have several more videos planned in the "Everything You Need to Know" series.

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10-19-2019, 03:38 PM

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You would be a master teacher in a different environment.
Thank you. Although, does that mean I should be teaching differently in my pool videos? If so, I am open to suggestions from you and others.

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10-20-2019, 08:04 AM

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I'll buy that. An average chalk mark left by a tip of average curvature and hardness with an average shot is about 3mm.

Regardless, I still think "tips" of english has way too many definitions and is therefore too confusing.

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Why not define the offset to a desired result. Such as, if I shoot straight across the table (long to long rail) where is the tip placement to land 1diamond right or left, 2 diamonds, 3 diamonds ..... Diamonds of English rather than Tips or Percentages.

I only say this since everyone has different strokes and different abilities applying spins, so if we teach this or that certain pinpoint on the cueball is where it must be hit the results will be different for most. Then the instruction will seem inaccurate and the response will be the usual "That doesn't work for me"
  
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10-20-2019, 08:24 AM

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Why not define the offset to a desired result. Such as, if I shoot straight across the table (long to long rail) where is the tip placement to land 1diamond right or left, 2 diamonds, 3 diamonds ..... Diamonds of English rather than Tips or Percentages.
Here's a post from several years ago about that.

But defining the tip offset this way is one thing - how do you describe where the tip should contact the CB?

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10-20-2019, 08:28 AM

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Why not define the offset to a desired result. Such as, if I shoot straight across the table (long to long rail) where is the tip placement to land 1diamond right or left, 2 diamonds, 3 diamonds ..... Diamonds of English rather than Tips or Percentages.
That’s one of “interpretations” of “tips of english” on the resource page, where 1 “tip” corresponds to 1 “diamond” of rebound angle change.

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10-20-2019, 01:40 PM

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10-20-2019, 06:31 PM

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Here's a post from several years ago about that.

But defining the tip offset this way is one thing - how do you describe where the tip should contact the CB?

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The post linked above shows that (at least on the table I used) each 1/3 of maximum english spins the CB one more diamond to the side on a straight crosstable shot.

If you use a ~12.7mm (1/2") tip there's a convenient way to hit exact thirds of maximum spin using "tips" of english:

As shown below, if a "tip" of sideways movement is 1/2 the tip's width, then each "tip" of movement adds another 1/3 of maximum english.

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10-20-2019, 06:50 PM

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Here's a post from several years ago about that.

But defining the tip offset this way is one thing - how do you describe where the tip should contact the CB?

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The tip offset is is determined by the results.
Did I say it wrong?? All strokes are different and therefore all tip placements produced different results.

Are you saying only the contact point makes the difference and technique has is no concern? I highly disagree. It's not that simple.

Lets say you're correct, and the only thing is the contact point. How do you correct for an ingrained line up over the cue looking at the CB.

Need to look beyond theory and allow folks to see reality. Hit here and you will get this result. Foolish
  
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10-20-2019, 07:31 PM

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Hit here and you will get this result. Foolish
I agree!

Just like two cues don't perform the same, people don't, either.
  
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10-20-2019, 07:42 PM

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The tip offset is is determined by the results.
I agree that experience is the most reliable teacher. I think “calibrating” tip placement can help shorten and sharpen that learning process.

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10-20-2019, 08:18 PM

Well sorry to be a critic, I thought the video jumped all over the place, like it didn't have a clear goal. I wasn't sure if it was for an absolute beginner, or a seasoned player. I watched about 75% of it then turned it off.

Here is what I think would make a good spin video (this is unrelated to the video you made, but its a topic I have wanted to see for a while and I don't believe anyone made this video....):

I'd like a a video showing several common shots, especially 9 ball shots, where you are trying to get position to a specific spot on the table. Lets say the super common low outside where you go across the table with the CB after making the OB.

I'd like the camera to show what the hit looks like between tip and CB "from the shooter's perspective", and additionally, what the "overlap" looks like between the CB and OB from the shooters perspective, BEFORE the shot is hit. I could care less for the ghost ball position. That goes out the window in real pool. I want to see what the shot should look like from the aim accounting for all spin effects. I'd also like this information for the exact same shot angle, but with different CB to OB distances, or different speeds. We all know that can change the aim dramatically.

I don't want explanation. I want silence. Show the shot overhead, the desired position and shoot it full speed while in the overhead camera. Then replay the same shot from the camera view that will show the tip/CB overlap, and the CB/OB overlap. Change the speed or distance, and repeat. Show this for 5 common shots. No talking, just showing. I think this would be a great video. IMO I also think it would be very hard to make due to the camera work required to show these viewpoints.
  
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10-20-2019, 08:29 PM

Building on the last post, you (and others) have many videos explaining the why. And you also have videos combining the why and the how. I think there should be one video on spin and aim that is purely the how. No why whatsoever.

Set up a shot and desired position. Show all the things visible to the shooter from his eye's perspective while in the set position. Then shoot the shot. Thats it. Then repeat that for variations of that shot.

You could have a simple 3 min video called "how to draw across the table" with a few variations.

Another called "how to send white forward two rails" with a few variations.

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10-20-2019, 08:54 PM

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Building on the last post, you (and others) have many videos explaining the why. And you also have videos combining the why and the how. I think there should be one video on spin and aim that is purely the how. No why whatsoever.

Set up a shot and desired position. Show all the things visible to the shooter from his eye's perspective while in the set position. Then shoot the shot. Thats it. Then repeat that for variations of that shot.

You could have a simple 3 min video called "how to draw across the table" with a few variations.

Another called "how to send white forward two rails" with a few variations.

etc etc.

I've been meaning to do this for a long time and haven't gotten around to it.

One day, I will.

I think that is the best way to teach pool...from the shooter's perspective.
  
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10-21-2019, 05:48 AM

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The post linked above shows that (at least on the table I used) each 1/3 of maximum english spins the CB one more diamond to the side on a straight crosstable shot.

If you use a ~12.7mm (1/2") tip there's a convenient way to hit exact thirds of maximum spin using "tips" of english:

As shown below, if a "tip" of sideways movement is 1/2 the tip's width, then each "tip" of movement adds another 1/3 of maximum english.

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FYI, I added some language to the "tips" of english and percentage spin resource page to better tie together the two images from you that were already there.

As always, excellent contributions!

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