a cry for help, you'd have to know my idenity for that logic to hold up. something i'd never give out to this group.
ur right, this group is like booze to me.... i wanna be banned. what do i need to say to get it? but if you through all you should know that since somebody feels they can ban one of my opinions, why not delete them all? that is why the ultimatum. god my internet connection sucks
Enzo,
Can you not see that this post disproves your entire premise? For the sake of argument let us say that Mr. Lee is 100% wrong about this. Let's say the rules are clear and the player is not required to call a foul on himself.
Can you see that a respected instructor who is only interested in advertising his business is committing a grave error with such an obviously wrong interpretation of the rules? Furthermore he labels people who don't call fouls on themselves cheaters who might have been viable prospects for his services. But by alienating them with his statement he may be costing himself clients. A person who is only interested in promoting their own business takes a much less controversial position and tries to pander to both sides of the topic, remaining adroitly balanced on the fence and tap dancing for your entertainment.
Lastly, you say that there is no black and white but that Mr. Lee is 100% wrong. You seem confused here as that would mean that the situation you describe is black and white if one side is 100% wrong and the other side is by default 100% right.
I happen to agree with Mr. Lee if the situation is thus; A player commits a foul in a match without a referee and the opponent does not see it. Morally the player who committed the foul should inform his opponent of it. If they do not they are cheating the integrity of the game regardless of what the rules say. If a player has committed a foul that is a ball in hand penalty then they certainly will be in no further penalty by picking up the cue ball and handing it to the opponent.
It is very sad if this is the entire basis of your attack on Mr. Lee and the ensuing drama of wanting to erase all of your content. However I would be very grateful if you would PM me the trick about erasing all of the content via a signature as there are some message boards where I may want to apply it. It would be nicer though if you would stay and continue to have good discourse.
im not sure why i have to answer this, but yes, he cheated. um, if u foul and u keep shooting, you cheated. and sombody just callled ME 5?! the context was he said people that go sit down after a foul have cheated. what other context is there? i cant go through every one of these kinda absurd statements. now a another guy is commenting on my grammer, lol. can u say bandwagon? if this was a thesis id get it right-- ooops, if this was a thesis i'd get it right (don't wanna upset your delicate sensibilities)
Call me names, oh and use cuss words to add effect. If you want to get banned, you can use me.
P.S. I have no problem with you, just trying to help your request
well, youd be wrong too, he didnt cheat, read the rules. we can bet on it if youd like, not sure how else to solve it. its not cheating the integrity of the game he said, he said it was cheating, he was wrong, so are you if you say the same. the thing people seem to have a hard time understanding is im not advocating not calling every foul, just saying there is no foul if you dont say anything after a foul. now if a player away from the table asks you if you fouled after u did, and you misinform, then im not on board with that at all.
there is technically a foul involved if the cb is picked up after a foul by outgoing player, at least we had figured it that way in another thread here. we dont play that way, but that is the rule, and its a good one-- why in the world does outgoing need to touch the cb? doesnt make sense to you im sure-- nothing logical seems to.
That was me being the grammar (not grammer) police. My dear father sends me the most godawful sometimes nearly unintelligible emails. He cannot spell to save his life. But he is articulate and communicates his point well. He did not go to college. I don't think he finished high school.
The point is that his grammar is tolerable because he doesn't know any better. Yours is not because you should know better. And why do I feel that "u" should know better? Because you bragged about your masters degree.
This is not a bandwagon issue. As you said when one gives their opinion then it should be open to criticism. Well when you present your credentials don't be surprised if they are questioned when the content doesn't match the claim.
You seem to have a problem with Mr. Lee and instructors in general. I went and read the thread that you referenced. It's also good netiquette to post a link when doing so by the way. In that thread about 10 people also labeled it cheating to not call a foul on oneself before Mr. Lee chimed in. So why did you single Mr. Lee out?
And again, if Mr. Lee was blatantly wrong then he just harmed himself which is not self-promoting as you claimed. There is no business benefit to Mr. Lee taking a hard moral position when some potential clients are on the other side of the issue.
Call me names, oh and use cuss words to add effect. If you want to get banned, you can use me.
P.S. I have no problem with you, just trying to help your request
Roadie...Apparently I must have missed it too. While I may hold a private opinion of enzo, to my knowledge I have never publicly attacked him/her here, or anywhere else. I have never PM'd this person, nor did I make any attempt to have his dirogatory thread removed. If you get "the full story", please let me in on it! :thumbup:
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
this is my last reponse to you, but you are just so wrong on so many levels. he was making a point of telling people how much integrity he has (ie, this gets clients mind you, not sure if that would be clear in your case), yet he was stating an absolute falsehood that is detrimental to billiards, as i know many very sporty players that simply go sit after fouls. not to cheat but just because, why not? if they get asked they say, yep, foul.
what im about to say may get me banned (that is a play on a malcom x speach btw).
here is my ultimatum to the mods.
put all my posts/threads back, or delete me and all my posts. implication being, i feel ive always acted reasonably, especially in light of what ive seen others get away with. and if you dont put it all back, i want out as i dont want to be a member under the guidelines of a "ruling and respected elite".
another bandwagon jumper. this forum is full of them. you probably dont even know the issue(s) here. i dont claim to be better either jay, just claim that PERHAPS a pool community thinking with half an ounce of wisdom would want to keep somebody like me. i guess not... and im cool with it. thanks for taking the time to very altruistically pat yourself on the back again just like scott does all the time.
ok, to aka trigger.... your momma!
is that good enough, or do i need more, seriously... im not nasty enough maybe? i can work on it. maybe i need mr wilsons momma involved? since this is mob rule and hes the king, i think so.... ?
I do see many people on here that want you to stay. Your reading comprehension skills are as weak as your argument. As for me I disagree with them. I couldn't care less if you stay or go. You're just another crybaby seeking attention imo.
Have a nice day on your next forum. I'm sure if you keep looking around you can find one that suits your taste. Why don't you start your own, the ENZO Forum. It can be all about you and you get to moderate it to keep people like me out. :thumbup2:
im not sure if my last one worked or not. u wont be offended will you... promise me....
ok, to aka trigger..... you are an idiot for letting me call you names. oh i hate doing that, haha. really.
i think i read in the rules you cant call people idiots. its weird because there are so many here (not u aka). so is that enough? btw, get 5 good players, my chalenge still applies to any instructor.... ill put forth a how to get strong at pool, and they can as well, and well have some good judges. maybe that will be enzo2 territory.
jay, u have a banks game next time im in town, ill play you your second best game too.... one hole. best part, you wont even know its me, haha. so much for your credentials on the pool table. this reminds me, true story i swear, i responded to you once on a "ill play anybody cheap on a barbox" (paraphased) thread. you didnt play, haha, big surprise.
ps, did u write something? oh yeah, isnt "crybaby" namecalling? that is in the rules u know, i guess it dont apply to you.
jay, u have a banks game next time im in town, ill play you your second best game too.... one hole. best part, you wont even know its me, haha. so much for your credentials on the pool table. this reminds me, true story i swear, i responded to you once on a "ill play anybody cheap on a barbox" (paraphased) thread. you didnt play, haha, big surprise.
ps, did u write something? oh yeah, isnt "crybaby" namecalling? that is in the rules u know, i guess it dont apply to you.