sorry i dont think im explaining myself correctly. in some rules. lets say all i have left is 1 solid and the 8 ball. i can use the 8 ball to try and pocket my last solid. but in this case i didnt and the 8 ball hit his ball. is that a ball in hand?
Post the rule set that says this. What you are talking about is barroom bullshit rules. In 8 ball the 8 is never neutral.