Old
  (#16)
cycopath
Call me Banger.
cycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond reputecycopath has a reputation beyond repute
 
cycopath's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 599
vCash: 400
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Alabama Gulf Coast
   
06-10-2019, 07:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post
I have no idea who's website is the best,


I didnít know if you had a better deal with someone carrying it, where you could maximize your profit. I can just Google it.
Thanks, Iíll definitely be trying that glue!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


"Kill them, Machine. Kill them all..." - Dino Velvet

Name: Brian
Playing Cue: Larry Miller w/OB Classic
Break Cue: Mace
Table: Piano finish Gold Crown IV (bought from Hemicudas. RIP $Bill)
Age: 48
Location: Alabama Gulf Coast
Profession: Pawnbroker
Hours of play: 2-4 hours weekly
Conceal carry: Ruger LC9
  
Reply With Quote

Old
  (#17)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-10-2019, 07:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by cycopath View Post
I didnít know if you had a better deal with someone carrying it, where you could maximize your profit. I can just Google it.
Thanks, Iíll definitely be trying that glue!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No, I don't get involved with the retail pricing with my distribution networks, only if they offer it for sale less than the MAP.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#18)
1sttbone
AzB Silver Member
1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute1sttbone has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 71
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Blog Entries: 1
Join Date: Oct 2013
   
06-11-2019, 06:49 AM

wildwood contact cement been used for years and definitely holds great..apply according to instructions . very inexpensive
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#19)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 07:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1sttbone View Post
wildwood contact cement been used for years and definitely holds great..apply according to instructions . very inexpensive
Weldwood don't have enough shear strength to hold the cloth on the slate as tight as needed, and it's still not strong enough to keep the facings from dropping, I've used it before, when I first started working on pool tables. Cheap is not always the best.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#20)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 07:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1sttbone View Post
wildwood contact cement been used for years and definitely holds great..apply according to instructions . very inexpensive
No top tier table mechanic that I know of still uses weldwood today.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#21)
bradsh98
Bradshaw Billiard Service
bradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 857
vCash: 500
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Central Upstate New York Region
   
06-11-2019, 10:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post
No top tier table mechanic that I know of still uses weldwood today.
I guess I'm not "top-tier", in the mind of the Mighty RKC.

How will I ever sleep tonight?


Weldwood is one of the cheapest neoprene contact cements available. It is also readily available at any local hardware store. It functions exactly the same as any of the other commonly known neoprene contact adhesives on the market.

In regards to shear strength, it is plenty strong enough for bonding cushions and facings to rails.

However, because RKC is peddling his own contact cement now, every other contact cement on the market is inferior..

I'm not knocking RKC250. In fact, I bought a gallon of it, and I've been using it for the past couple of months. It works fine.. Just as 3M-10 does.. Just as Weldwood does..


The point is: use whichever of these contact cements that you can get your hands on. They all work just fine, if used properly. Each has their differences, but they all function the same.

And don't buy into the hype that RKC250 has no odor.. It is every bit as potent as any of the alternatives. You should absolutely take the necessary safety precautions, when using any of these products.


Geoff Bradshaw
Bradshaw Billiard Service

I play with a Hammond Custom Cue. You should too.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#22)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 11:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bradsh98 View Post
I guess I'm not "top-tier", in the mind of the Mighty RKC.

How will I ever sleep tonight?


Weldwood is one of the cheapest neoprene contact cements available. It is also readily available at any local hardware store. It functions exactly the same as any of the other commonly known neoprene contact adhesives on the market.

In regards to shear strength, it is plenty strong enough for bonding cushions and facings to rails.

However, because RKC is peddling his own contact cement now, every other contact cement on the market is inferior..

I'm not knocking RKC250. In fact, I bought a gallon of it, and I've been using it for the past couple of months. It works fine.. Just as 3M-10 does.. Just as Weldwood does..


The point is: use whichever of these contact cements that you can get your hands on. They all work just fine, if used properly. Each has their differences, but they all function the same.

And don't buy into the hype that RKC250 has no odor.. It is every bit as potent as any of the alternatives. You should absolutely take the necessary safety precautions, when using any of these products.
How does the oder of the RKC250 compare to 3M10? And the facings still drop using weldwood, all you have to do is look at them after the rails ha e been recovered and in use for a while, even 3M10 drops the facings....prove me wrong!
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#23)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 11:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bradsh98 View Post
I guess I'm not "top-tier", in the mind of the Mighty RKC.

How will I ever sleep tonight?


Weldwood is one of the cheapest neoprene contact cements available. It is also readily available at any local hardware store. It functions exactly the same as any of the other commonly known neoprene contact adhesives on the market.

In regards to shear strength, it is plenty strong enough for bonding cushions and facings to rails.

However, because RKC is peddling his own contact cement now, every other contact cement on the market is inferior..

I'm not knocking RKC250. In fact, I bought a gallon of it, and I've been using it for the past couple of months. It works fine.. Just as 3M-10 does.. Just as Weldwood does..


The point is: use whichever of these contact cements that you can get your hands on. They all work just fine, if used properly. Each has their differences, but they all function the same.

And don't buy into the hype that RKC250 has no odor.. It is every bit as potent as any of the alternatives. You should absolutely take the necessary safety precautions, when using any of these products.
And you're right, all contact adhesives work to some extent, it's just that some work better than others, or all adhesives would be the same formula, yet they're not!
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#24)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 11:13 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bradsh98 View Post
I guess I'm not "top-tier", in the mind of the Mighty RKC.

How will I ever sleep tonight?


Weldwood is one of the cheapest neoprene contact cements available. It is also readily available at any local hardware store. It functions exactly the same as any of the other commonly known neoprene contact adhesives on the market.

In regards to shear strength, it is plenty strong enough for bonding cushions and facings to rails.

However, because RKC is peddling his own contact cement now, every other contact cement on the market is inferior..

I'm not knocking RKC250. In fact, I bought a gallon of it, and I've been using it for the past couple of months. It works fine.. Just as 3M-10 does.. Just as Weldwood does..


The point is: use whichever of these contact cements that you can get your hands on. They all work just fine, if used properly. Each has their differences, but they all function the same.

And don't buy into the hype that RKC250 has no odor.. It is every bit as potent as any of the alternatives. You should absolutely take the necessary safety precautions, when using any of these products.
Tell me something, do you use weldwood to I stall the bed cloth on your glue downs??
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#25)
bradsh98
Bradshaw Billiard Service
bradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 857
vCash: 500
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Central Upstate New York Region
   
06-11-2019, 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post
Tell me something, do you use weldwood to I stall the bed cloth on your glue downs??
I have used Weldwood on bed cloth, though it is not my typical practice. I prefer 3M-90.

Quote:
Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post
How does the oder of the RKC250 compare to 3M10? And the facings still drop using weldwood, all you have to do is look at them after the rails ha e been recovered and in use for a while, even 3M10 drops the facings....prove me wrong!
I agree. To avoid having the facings drop, the surfaces need to be properly prepped, and you need to wait an ample amount of time, before bonding the surfaces together. This is regardless of which contact cement is used.

I do not yet have enough experience with RKC250, to confidently say that it is better or worse than the other available adhesives. I have not yet tried Parabond 250, though I see little difference between RKC250, 3M-10, and Weldwood. Slight differences in dry-times and consistency, but not much difference otherwise, including the odor.


Geoff Bradshaw
Bradshaw Billiard Service

I play with a Hammond Custom Cue. You should too.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#26)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 12:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bradsh98 View Post
I have used Weldwood on bed cloth, though it is not my typical practice. I prefer 3M-90.



I agree. To avoid having the facings drop, the surfaces need to be properly prepped, and you need to wait an ample amount of time, before bonding the surfaces together. This is regardless of which contact cement is used.

I do not yet have enough experience with RKC250, to confidently say that it is better or worse than the other available adhesives. I have not yet tried Parabond 250, though I see little difference between RKC250, 3M-10, and Weldwood. Slight differences in dry-times and consistency, but not much difference otherwise, including the odor.
I can't stand spray glue installed bed cloths, and again, no top TIER mechanics use spray glue to install the bed cloths, and NO spray glue is as strong at holding the bed cloths tight as a good roll on glue.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#27)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 12:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bradsh98 View Post
I have used Weldwood on bed cloth, though it is not my typical practice. I prefer 3M-90.



I agree. To avoid having the facings drop, the surfaces need to be properly prepped, and you need to wait an ample amount of time, before bonding the surfaces together. This is regardless of which contact cement is used.

I do not yet have enough experience with RKC250, to confidently say that it is better or worse than the other available adhesives. I have not yet tried Parabond 250, though I see little difference between RKC250, 3M-10, and Weldwood. Slight differences in dry-times and consistency, but not much difference otherwise, including the odor.
I know you're a pretty good mechanic, and I've referred work in your direction several times, but if you're still spray gluing your bed cloths down, you really need to step up to learing how to use the roll on glue method.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#28)
bradsh98
Bradshaw Billiard Service
bradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 857
vCash: 500
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Central Upstate New York Region
   
06-11-2019, 12:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post
I know you're a pretty good mechanic, and I've referred work in your direction several times, but if you're still spray gluing your bed cloths down, you really need to step up to learing how to use the roll on glue method.
Ha! Funny.

Have you ever used 3M-90? It holds every bit as strong as 3M-10.

I will agree that 3M-77 will not hold up. You might get away with it on a bar box, but not strictly edge-glued applications. 3M-90 however, is plenty strong enough, when used properly.

Rolling glue requires much greater care on the cloth. Too much pressure, and you have glue bleeding through.. Even your fancy 'blue' glue will leave a nasty stain. 3M-90 is much more forgiving. Not only that, the odor is MUCH less obnoxious.

3M-90 might be a bit more expensive, but it is much easier to work with, and it is readily available everywhere.


Geoff Bradshaw
Bradshaw Billiard Service

I play with a Hammond Custom Cue. You should too.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#29)
realkingcobra
AzB Silver Member
realkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond reputerealkingcobra has a reputation beyond repute
 
realkingcobra's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 17,505
vCash: 5785
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: On the road everywhere.
   
06-11-2019, 02:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bradsh98 View Post
Ha! Funny.

Have you ever used 3M-90? It holds every bit as strong as 3M-10.

I will agree that 3M-77 will not hold up. You might get away with it on a bar box, but not strictly edge-glued applications. 3M-90 however, is plenty strong enough, when used properly.

Rolling glue requires much greater care on the cloth. Too much pressure, and you have glue bleeding through.. Even your fancy 'blue' glue will leave a nasty stain. 3M-90 is much more forgiving. Not only that, the odor is MUCH less obnoxious.

3M-90 might be a bit more expensive, but it is much easier to work with, and it is readily available everywhere.
So you use spray 90 to install the bed cloths on Diamonds as well???
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#30)
bradsh98
Bradshaw Billiard Service
bradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond reputebradsh98 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 857
vCash: 500
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Central Upstate New York Region
   
06-11-2019, 05:29 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post
So you use spray 90 to install the bed cloths on Diamonds as well???
Sure do. Works great. Has an adjustable spray nozzle. Makes it easy to control the spray pattern. Use a cardboard shield, to catch over-spray. But, if you take proper care, there is very little.


Geoff Bradshaw
Bradshaw Billiard Service

I play with a Hammond Custom Cue. You should too.
  
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 2 of 4 12 34

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.