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10-19-2019, 09:45 PM

Looks like a foul, but trust your opponent. The ghost is quite honest. Might even call it transparent.

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10-19-2019, 10:54 PM

No foul...and that's from two Master Instructors and a Senior National Referee.

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BIH playing the ghost, this was my first shot. I played the CB to break up the cluster, and follow down table for the next ball. I called a foul on myself, the hit felt like I double hit it.

What would you call based on the video? 8 seconds long for short attention spans

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10-19-2019, 11:18 PM

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Well, I guess I need lessons (or should I say "glasses) worse than I thought. It really, really looked bad to me.

But, I'm no master of anything so, just like John Schmidt's run, I'll take the word of people that are in a better position physically/knowledgeably to make that call.

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10-19-2019, 11:29 PM

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High ball, whitey slips up a bit.
The cue ball didnít do anything it wasnít supposed to.
I agree. The cue is probably at least 3 times the weight of the cb, which means the cb takes off so fast that with the distance between the balls it's unlikely there is a chance for a double hit. It's odd that a foul was felt though, especially since the cb seemed to move appropriately based on the shot angle.


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10-19-2019, 11:35 PM

To those that have stated they think this is a foul, can you explain what you are basing that conclusion on?

To believe a double hit foul occurred as an observer, one or more of the following things had to have occurred:

1) The speed of the cue ball had to have increased as a result of the second hit
2) The cue ball speed had to have been abnormally fast for the type of hit, one example being where the cue ball follows closely behind the object ball at almost the same speed after a fuller ball hit.
3) The direction of the cue ball had to be abnormal / had to have changed as a result of the second hit.
4) You had to have clearly seen the tip hit the cue ball twice.

You could possibly add a number 5), that you heard a double hit, but I find this one to be less than reliable in the absence of any of the other things above, and even more so when one or more balls are colliding with each other immediately after the cue ball leaves the tip (which is the case here).

The speed of the cue ball does not appear to have increased at any point, the cue ball speed is not abnormally fast for the type of hit, the path and direction and reaction of the cue ball is perfectly normal and never appears to change, you certainly can't see a double hit (even with the luxury of frame by frame analysis), and even though its less than reliable, particularly in this situation, you can't hear anything that sounds like a double hit either. So if you believe this is a double hit, what is making you believe that?
  
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10-19-2019, 11:42 PM

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BIH playing the ghost, this was my first shot. I played the CB to break up the cluster, and follow down table for the next ball. I called a foul on myself, the hit felt like I double hit it.

What would you call based on the video? 8 seconds long for short attention spans

https://youtu.be/iSHrkwaNd3c
I may be totally off, but It appears to me that you hit the cue ball again, after the cue ball caromed off the six.
  
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10-20-2019, 12:24 AM

I thought the cue made contact with the cb a second time somewhere around the end of his follow-through.

I think everyone on this site knows the cue ball takes off much faster than the cue stick can move but, there were two object balls that "i thought" slowed the cb down or maybe even changed it's direction a hair. At that time (cb touching other two ob's), is when I was thinkthe foul happened.

Either way, it was really, really close and also hard to see "for sure" (for me).

OP saying he felt it was a major factor in my decision as well.

I've seen that type shot decision go both ways.

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10-20-2019, 12:29 AM

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I may be totally off, but It appears to me that you hit the cue ball again, after the cue ball caromed off the six.
Exactly what I thought happened.

But, two much more knowledgeable than me have ruled it a good hit....so, I would almost have to go with "good hit", based on their decision instead 9f going by what I thought I was seeing.

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10-20-2019, 01:21 AM

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To those that have stated they think this is a foul, can you explain what you are basing that conclusion on? snip snip
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10-20-2019, 01:38 AM

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Basing it on... he felt the double hit
First off, that's a she I believe, secondly it doesn't look like a double hit at all, she followed through with top, the ball stalled a bit after it hit the cluster then english took.

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10-20-2019, 01:44 AM

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Basing it on... he felt the double hit
Maybe that is the confusion, everybody is answering different questions, some of which that weren't even asked (and that directly conflict with what he did ask). I think his question, taken from the very first post, and then later reaffirmed even more clearly in a subsequent post, is:

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What would you call based on the video?

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I posted it on here to hear your thoughts if you could see a foul based on the video/sound alone, pretending I never said it sounded funny live when I played it.
In your opinion, do you think it was a foul based on the video alone? Curious if that changes things for you, plus it is the question he is asking.
  
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10-20-2019, 02:22 AM

Foul.
With that long a follow through you were bound to.
  
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First off, that's a she I believe, secondly it doesn't look like a double hit at all, she followed through with top, the ball stalled a bit after it hit the cluster then english took.

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You are wrong. Clearly a double hit.

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