As stated above, the secret is knowing what you're doing with what you got.
Back in my Mud Bog days, we used to say, "Run what you brung."
The softer the tip, the more spin you can get? is this accurate.
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As stated above, the secret is knowing what you're doing with what you got.
Back in my Mud Bog days, we used to say, "Run what you brung."
He's a liar. If he posts a vid of him drawing three table lengths I'll apologize
THREE table lengths of draw?? Sorry but i'm callin' bs on this. I don't care if its a 3x6 cracker-box that ain't happening. I've seen Massey many times and he can draw it almost 2 full lengths on a 9' Gold Crown. Never seen ANYONE else come close. Show us and i'll go for it.
Despite what Dr. Dave says, I think you can get more spin from a soft tip. I don't have proof or anything though. Seems like this would be easy enough to test though
I've seen two others get two lengths but each of them spent a lot of time working at it.
Don't doubt that one bit. I'm not going for three or even 2.5. I can get it to go about 1.5 times on good cloth but i have to hit it PERFECTLY. When Massey does it the CB does a little burn-out before it backs up. Crazy stroke.
Yep it's a statement, which I followed with, "I don't have any proof." Please link me to where Dr. Dave empirically tests the spin of a soft tip vs a hard tip with all else being equal.
Since I took the time to read through this...thread..I will respond as well to muddy any possible clear spots left.
I play with a harder tip usually (kamui med, ultraskin hard, water buffalo, and some other Hard tip someone put on me cue) and I feel like I get more spin, or at least draw the ball much better with the harder tip. And it’s shaped like a freakin bullet, nay, a Spear even. Aiight it’s not that dramatically sharp but definitely a dime shape. Very rounded and kept that way naturally just by the way I play and chalk I guess.
Soft tips I have tried is a sniper (maybe not supposed to be a Soft tip but ew my god it felt like a sponge) kamui soft, super soft, and ultra skin soft and super soft. I don’t like soft. In life or tips, unless we’re talking epidermis.
I play with a harder tip usually (kamui med, ultraskin hard, water buffalo, and some other Hard tip someone put on me cue) and I feel like I get more spin, or at least draw the ball much better with the harder tip. And it’s shaped like a freakin bullet, nay, a Spear even. Aiight it’s not that dramatically sharp but definitely a dime shape. Very rounded and kept that way naturally just by the way I play and chalk I guess.
Soft tips I have tried is a sniper (maybe not supposed to be a Soft tip but ew my god it felt like a sponge) kamui soft, super soft, and ultra skin soft and super soft. I don’t like soft. In life or tips, unless we’re talking epidermis.
There are 2 things that affect spin on the cue ball: 1. speed of stroke 2. TIP Position on the cue ball. Tip hardness has more to do with feel than anything else.
"I think" doesn't hold up very well when you have physical evidence to prove otherwise.
Haha I'm fairly certain there are more than two factors affecting spin such as weight of the cue and angle of cue among others.
Fairly easy to test yourself. Put a hard and a soft on two shafts. Go play. I've done this and can see ZERO difference in amount of spin. Contact time is so tiny that any difference there MAY be is not noticeable.
I will say it in a different way that you might understand 1. Tip position on the cue ball = level cue and how far off vertical center the tip strikes the cue ball. angle or striking downward reduces spin. 2. speed of stroke = energy transfer to the cue ball from the cue stick striking the cue ball.
You originally said there are two things that affect spin. That's a gross oversimplification no matter how you try to rearrange your words.
As an instructor keeping it simple is the best way for most people to learn.
Debunking myths like tip hardness has affect on how much spin you can put on a cue ball or one of my favorites is if you want more draw on the cue ball "follow through more or farther" is part of my job.
There are simple ways to eliminate such variables when comparing tips. Dismissing Dr. Dave's tests without looking at them is lazy and misleading.
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My opinion is a bit opposite of what Dave says, I have always felt I could draw the cue better with a soft tip, my grandpa who taught me to play(and consistently would break a 100 playing straight pool in his 70's said the same thing). Maybe, I was influenced by his opinion and never gave the hard tips a chance, I'm going to order some and give them a whirl.
"Soft tips will absorb more impact causing the tip to stay on the cue ball for a split second longer than harder tips. his will result in more cue ball spin, commonly referred to as “English”, when struck off the center of the cue ball." Pooldawg site
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I guess this is something that is generally thought, but is apparently wrong?
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I guess this is something that is generally thought, but is apparently wrong?