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07-02-2019, 08:53 AM

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The shot line is the shot line and remains that way until the balls are moved. Your either on that line or not, obviously not and you already know this.

Try taking some yard string or something similar that won't damage the table to create the shot line between the rail to cue ball and cue ball to object ball. Creating a visual that you can physically see as your stepping into the shot. I've never done this, but has helped some others.
Stand back, view the shot line, step into the shot/shot line and get down on that line with your tip just barely touching the cue ball. Don't shoot the ball, stand up and repeat. Repetitions.

You want to find that stance/alignment that gets you on that line and drill that into your subconscious afterwards. If you simply can't get on that line, I'd seek instruction from a reputable stroke instructor at this point. The more knowledge, the better. Good luck

One thing that I always liked to do, is put a spot of some kind/marker in the center of the corner pocket. I always used a pocket reducer, the center of the rolled wire is perfectly centered in the pocket. After striking the cue ball, I'm visualizing my tip following/blasting through the cue ball, object ball and center pocket.
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07-03-2019, 01:40 PM

Your videos show you trying to pocket a straight shot.

In golf there is a concept called "ball bound."

The theory was that golfers simply have to swing the club through impact on line. Once the head is on the path the next step was simply to put a ball on the target line and forget about it. In theory the player simply repeats the original clubhead trajectory and the ball gets in the way traveling as intended.

Theory is one thing but reality is another. Using wearable brain scan sensors they found that with players of all skill levels, that once the ball is put down the brain senses the difference and it shows in the scans.

Too often in pool, players get ball bound in a different way. They become fixated on the cue ball and its center. Not only is it in their immediate line of sight, but it appears large there. That fixation comes at a cost. It raises its importance and when our focus falls on it, other relevant details are missed. The face of the ball and it’s center cause our mindset to become "bound" to the ball face.

In response to this knowledge a simple strategy with multiple uses was found. Once the cue line is set from the hand, through the cue ball centerline, to the object, you should be able to look anywhere. By choosing to focus on impact a new perspective emerges. The front of the ball, not the face is what makes contact with the object ball center. Following the cue line through the cue ball we can sense where the target line exits the front of the cue ball. That point of exit is the actual surface point that must contact the object ball center, on a straight shot, to pocket the ball.

Several things are observed when using that visual when shooting. There becomes a felt connection between the contact points. The cue never stops on contact with the face when focus is on the front, so there is natural through the ball tip travel.

The biggest benefit to me has been that since the face of the ball is often obstructed by the rail or other balls, the front of the ball is not. Once you get comfortable with straight in shots focusing on the front rather than the face, the front becomes a secondary way to sense shots. If the cueing line through center ball is sensed as allowing the contact points to connect and send the object ball to target, the "second opinion" raises your comfort and confidence in the chosen cue line. Certainty of outcome is huge. When you feel it, results will be there, too.

The face of the ball is not there when the cue ball is on the rail. The front of the ball is still available and once you get used to using it the rail shots are much easier.

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07-03-2019, 03:29 PM

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Your videos show you trying to pocket a straight shot.

In golf there is a concept called "ball bound."

The theory was that golfers simply have to swing the club through impact on line. Once the head is on the path the next step was simply to put a ball on the target line and forget about it. In theory the player simply repeats the original clubhead trajectory and the ball gets in the way traveling as intended.

Theory is one thing but reality is another. Using wearable brain scan sensors they found that with players of all skill levels, that once the ball is put down the brain senses the difference and it shows in the scans.

Too often in pool, players get ball bound in a different way. They become fixated on the cue ball and its center. Not only is it in their immediate line of sight, but it appears large there. That fixation comes at a cost. It raises its importance and when our focus falls on it, other relevant details are missed. The face of the ball and itís center cause our mindset to become "bound" to the ball face.

In response to this knowledge a simple strategy with multiple uses was found. Once the cue line is set from the hand, through the cue ball centerline, to the object, you should be able to look anywhere. By choosing to focus on impact a new perspective emerges. The front of the ball, not the face is what makes contact with the object ball center. Following the cue line through the cue ball we can sense where the target line exits the front of the cue ball. That point of exit is the actual surface point that must contact the object ball center, on a straight shot, to pocket the ball.

Several things are observed when using that visual when shooting. There becomes a felt connection between the contact points. The cue never stops on contact with the face when focus is on the front, so there is natural through the ball tip travel.

The biggest benefit to me has been that since the face of the ball is often obstructed by the rail or other balls, the front of the ball is not. Once you get comfortable with straight in shots focusing on the front rather than the face, the front becomes a secondary way to sense shots. If the cueing line through center ball is sensed as allowing the contact points to connect and send the object ball to target, the "second opinion" raises your comfort and confidence in the chosen cue line. Certainty of outcome is huge. When you feel it, results will be there, too.

The face of the ball is not there when the cue ball is on the rail. The front of the ball is still available and once you get used to using it the rail shots are much easier.
Nice post. Thanks

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07-03-2019, 03:46 PM

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07-19-2019, 04:32 PM

hi everyone i believe this time i found the root of the problem,i know i have gone back and forth and changed my mind on what the majority of my problem is but this time i had another player watch me carefully on straight in shots and the up and down drill and he spotted a flaw.he said that i was lining up the shot with a hair of right english,when i intended to hit center ball,in other words what looked to me center ball,was a trace of right english.and also as i mentioned in earlier posts,the other problem is that the cue is placed slightly across the line of aim (the cue pointing slightly to the left of the aim line from my point of view).having watched joe tucker's videos on youtube about alignment,i think the solution is to train the eyes to start aiming with what looks like the wrong picture/aim because often what looks to me the correct picture,is wrong.

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07-19-2019, 04:33 PM

this is similar to dan white's alignment problem,what looked like the correct picture to him,was wrong.also the user luhta has a similar problem

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... i think the solution is to train the eyes to start aiming with what looks like the wrong picture/aim because often what looks to me the correct picture,is wrong.
The usual recommended solution is to find a stance that places your head where a straight, centered shot looks straight and centered. Have you considered that solution?


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The usual recommended solution is to find a stance that places your head where a straight, centered shot looks straight and centered. Have you considered that solution?
i will re-try a bunch of different head positions to see if something works..
  
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i will re-try a bunch of different head positions to see if something works..
If your tip is usually off to the right, most likely your head is a little too far right too.

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If your tip is usually off to the right, most likely your head is a little too far right too.

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from my point of view?
  
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from my point of view?
Yes. You can also view it as your stick being a little too far toward your left eye - if that makes it any easier to visualize and correct. For instance, you could try simply moving your rear elbow a little to the right (farther from your body).

Just an educated guess based on simple spacial relationships.

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Yes. You can also view it as your stick being a little too far toward your left eye - if that makes it any easier to visualize and correct. For instance, you could try simply moving your rear elbow a little to the right (farther from your body).

Just an educated guess based on simple spacial relationships.

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so i tried a bunch of different head positions and the solution seems to be to turn my head a little to my right so that my left eye is a bit closer to the picture.all the other head positions i tried in the past with the head square to the shot don't work because i assume my right eye gets too involved and the picture/aim looks wrong.i also noticed if i turn my head too much to the right then my picture gets screwed up once again and i do the opposite of what i was doing,i line up with a hair of left english instead of right.so i must turn the head only a certain amount.i practiced the new position 2 hours today and it's unbelievable to think that all these years i learned to play certain shots only with english and never played them with center ball because i couldn't locate center ball..now i'm able to play the up and down drill with full power and have the cb come back to my tip (in the past it was almost impossible for me to do it with maximum power) and my long straight in draws have improved drastically so i would say my stroke has become pretty straight now but of course there is room for improvement.

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07-20-2019, 04:39 PM

also i'm wondering should i also have my head turned a bit to the right when aligning my head from the standing position?
  
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07-20-2019, 05:20 PM

today's finding should also explain why i was playing better when i was twisting the hips/shoulders to my right,it wasn't so much because it was aligning my elbow closer to the cue,it was because this type of alignment was bringing my left eye closer to the picture..
  
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Appreciate the acknowledgement. Thanks for taking time to read and post.
Everytime I browse on these topic I always read your responses. It is very straightforward and enlightening.
  
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