one rail kicks
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Did you somehow miss post #19??
For the record:
1)Please be aware of the fact that I only divide the distance of max. ONE DIAMOND by 3 (not the number of the complete distance for a shorter/ longer distance)
Why/ when division by 3?
- different speed when dividing by 3. (2.5=firmer speed thanusual speed2)
-normally when the OB is laying at a different spot than eg. on the corner line, the starting point at the shooter's rail slightly changes and normally we have to adjust for that in a second step. Dividing by 3 levels this out pretty good without having to readjust.
-The system includes the fact that
2 diamonds on the long rail is not always equal to 1 diamond on the
long rail but having a ratio of 2:1.38 to 2:1) (depending on the kick angle)
For speed 2 I aim through the starting diamond and through the diamond of the rail I kick at to get the desired point OPPOSITE the rail at the endrail using the conventional 2:1 ratio.
To find the 2:1 ratio you can use different approaches like taking your cue over the CB pointing to the rail you kick at and finding the correspondent point at the starting rail that has to be exactly the double of the rail you point at with your tip.
Sometimes we have to play around til we got exactly the perfectly matching two points.
Next approach would be conventional approaches like by the midpoint approach or multiple others as Scott Rohleder describes them in detail and very good here: http://www.poolstudent.com/2009/09/16/one-rail-kicking-systems-2/
only difference is aiming through the diamonds instead of the point opposite rail when using speed 2.
After having found the desired aim point at the rail for speed 2 for a point maximally 1 diamond longer than where the OB is laying, just make the adjustment for speed 2.5 and the little different stroke by dividing the remaining distances by 3 and substract the result from the originary aim point that has lead you max. 1 diamond too long.
Using sidespin with speed 2.5 requires to adjust 0.5/ 1 diamond on base of the already adjusted aim point for speed 2.5!
merry x- mas to all of you!
EKKES
To all of you sceptic ones :
Print out and give it a shot at the table ;-)
Normally
1)Please be aware of the fact that I only divide the distance of max. ONE DIAMOND by 3 (not the number of the complete distance for a shorter/ longer distance)
Why/ when division by 3?
- different speed when dividing by 3. (2.5=firmer speed thanusual speed2)
-normally when the OB is laying at a different spot than eg. on the corner line, the starting point at the shooter's rail slightly changes and normally we have to adjust for that in a second step. Dividing by 3 levels this out pretty good without having to readjust.
-The system includes the fact that
2 diamonds on the long rail is not always equal to 1 diamond on the
long rail but having a ratio of 2:1.38 to 2:1) (depending on the kick angle)
For speed 2 I aim through the starting diamond and through the diamond of the rail I kick at to get the desired point OPPOSITE the rail at the endrail using the conventional 2:1 ratio.
To find the 2:1 ratio you can use different approaches like taking your cue over the CB pointing to the rail you kick at and finding the correspondent point at the starting rail that has to be exactly the double of the rail you point at with your tip.
Sometimes we have to play around til we got exactly the perfectly matching two points.
Next approach would be conventional approaches like by the midpoint approach or multiple others as Scott Rohleder describes them in detail and very good here: http://www.poolstudent.com/2009/09/16/one-rail-kicking-systems-2/
only difference is aiming through the diamonds instead of the point opposite rail when using speed 2.
After having found the desired aim point at the rail for speed 2 for a point maximally 1 diamond longer than where the OB is laying, just make the adjustment for speed 2.5 and the little different stroke by dividing the remaining distances by 3 and substract the result from the originary aim point that has lead you max. 1 diamond too long.
Using sidespin with speed 2.5 requires to adjust 0.5/ 1 diamond on base of the already adjusted aim point for speed 2.5!
merry x- mas to all of you!
EKKES
To all of you sceptic ones :
Print out and give it a shot at the table ;-)
Normally
Maybe I'm reading too much Dan Brown
I tried it out this morning. A little difficulty interpreting
just what is meant by your first note on the top of the
printed sheet.
I disregarded that note, and was able to duplicate the
layout and make full contact with the object ball without
english.
I note that there is a significant separation between object
and cue balls after a relatively full contact. A good thing.
I tried intersecting the Object ball slightly thinner in an
attempt to make the ball. Limited success. I was able to
kick it in on 4 shots out of about 30.
As for the numbering on the end rail. My table could not
use them. No contact. But I was measuring from the
second rail at the second diamond as a start point. I have
likely made a major error of application.
Deviation from method for end rail shots
I did notice that if the cue stick was rotated to the pocket
you could note a difference between a point on the stick
and the object ball. If the distance was proportioned to
2/3s of the distance on the first rail, contact was relatively
frequent. I like systems with less things to memorize.
say in tenths or quarters of a diamond and see the end
result at the short rail and use this to confirm your
numbers or establish new numbers.
Other
I have been trying some kicks into the side pocket where
the cue ball is also near the side pocket. It seems
principles expressed in your method are way off. Not a
single contact.
My own work
I have developed a system that is good for contact and
occasionally making the object ball. But it still has kinks in
it. I found somewhere the book Advanced Pocket Billiards
by Rick Enriquez. I borrowed the book from the World
Catalog at the Library, and have since purchased it through
Amazon. The book could use an edit, but I found two
items of significance.
In the book he shows a banking system. I dissected his
method and am using something similar for kicking. It is
difficult to gauge the the line for contact, but I am
improving. If I figure it out, I will post.
I very much appreciate you sharing your method.
just what is meant by your first note on the top of the
printed sheet.
Please clarify the top note.
I disregarded that note, and was able to duplicate the
layout and make full contact with the object ball without
english.
I note that there is a significant separation between object
and cue balls after a relatively full contact. A good thing.
I tried intersecting the Object ball slightly thinner in an
attempt to make the ball. Limited success. I was able to
kick it in on 4 shots out of about 30.
As for the numbering on the end rail. My table could not
use them. No contact. But I was measuring from the
second rail at the second diamond as a start point. I have
likely made a major error of application.
Please describe the process of contacting a ball on or near
the end rail, say with the cue ball near mid table.
the end rail, say with the cue ball near mid table.
Deviation from method for end rail shots
I did notice that if the cue stick was rotated to the pocket
you could note a difference between a point on the stick
and the object ball. If the distance was proportioned to
2/3s of the distance on the first rail, contact was relatively
frequent. I like systems with less things to memorize.
How were the points along the short rail determined?
Of course you could take differences from the start point
say in tenths or quarters of a diamond and see the end
result at the short rail and use this to confirm your
numbers or establish new numbers.
Other
I have been trying some kicks into the side pocket where
the cue ball is also near the side pocket. It seems
principles expressed in your method are way off. Not a
single contact.
My own work
I have developed a system that is good for contact and
occasionally making the object ball. But it still has kinks in
it. I found somewhere the book Advanced Pocket Billiards
by Rick Enriquez. I borrowed the book from the World
Catalog at the Library, and have since purchased it through
Amazon. The book could use an edit, but I found two
items of significance.
In the book he shows a banking system. I dissected his
method and am using something similar for kicking. It is
difficult to gauge the the line for contact, but I am
improving. If I figure it out, I will post.
I very much appreciate you sharing your method.
kicks
@sliderule
thanks for taking the time to give it a try and your detailed report!
I will post a video of me using the kicking system and review the numbers
to see if I posted the correct numbers. Just did it by heart - but thought they are OK. Anyway will go over it again and filming myself uncut.
Don't know if I will find the time very soon but will do as soon as possible.
Wanted to share this with all of you before world's end today:grin-square:
EKKES
puuhhh here in Germany we already got 21st of December and we are still alive....:wink:
@sliderule
thanks for taking the time to give it a try and your detailed report!
I will post a video of me using the kicking system and review the numbers
to see if I posted the correct numbers. Just did it by heart - but thought they are OK. Anyway will go over it again and filming myself uncut.
Don't know if I will find the time very soon but will do as soon as possible.
Wanted to share this with all of you before world's end today:grin-square:
EKKES
puuhhh here in Germany we already got 21st of December and we are still alive....:wink:
Apparently we are all alive in the USA.
I look forward to your video. In looking you up, I found that
I already subscribed to your videos but did not mentally
connect to your name.
Very useful information
You should put the above in your AZbilliard signature.
Thanks also for the other method of kicking method in Pool
Student by Scott Rohleder. Very effective.
kicking video
Merry x-mas to all of you!:smile:
I adjusted the diagram for e-kicking, so that it is easier to understand what I am doing and adjusted some numbers.
(So thank you for your feedback)
I made a video with my I phone yesterday in which I explain what I am doing.:thumbup:
Quality is not great but OK.
Link: http://youtu.be/nyDiyYKyvgA
Should be online in ca. 2 hours on youtube.
Could have done it uncut, but my intention was, that anyone that prints out the diagram and watches the video will be able to understand what I am doing and being able to do it by themselves. So I included explanations in between the shots.
In the video I use lag speed and firmer speed (ca. speed 2.5) without using side spin and shots with English where I explain the needed adjustments.
Maybe it will help some players...
EKKES
Merry x-mas to all of you!:smile:
I adjusted the diagram for e-kicking, so that it is easier to understand what I am doing and adjusted some numbers.
(So thank you for your feedback)
I made a video with my I phone yesterday in which I explain what I am doing.:thumbup:
Quality is not great but OK.
Link: http://youtu.be/nyDiyYKyvgA
Should be online in ca. 2 hours on youtube.
Could have done it uncut, but my intention was, that anyone that prints out the diagram and watches the video will be able to understand what I am doing and being able to do it by themselves. So I included explanations in between the shots.
In the video I use lag speed and firmer speed (ca. speed 2.5) without using side spin and shots with English where I explain the needed adjustments.
Maybe it will help some players...
EKKES
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So Ekkes this looks to me like your aiming over the CB to the closest reference diamond (or half a diamond) then swiwel the cue over the OB and the result spot where we need to aim is where the tip is pointing on the line of diamonds (notice the cue after swiwel on the picture it points exactly to the spot that you calculated with your math), would this be correct, without the math?
speed
what is 2.5 speed? just to make sure i understand
MMike
what is 2.5 speed? just to make sure i understand
MMike
See that you are posting a video. Not up on YouTube yet.
Look forward to trying it upon return from visiting my daughter for Christmas.
Should be up by then. I will check tomorrow.
Al
Look forward to trying it upon return from visiting my daughter for Christmas.
Should be up by then. I will check tomorrow.
Al
With speed2,5 a speed of two a d a half table lengths is meant (if u stroke the cb and it rolls two and a half lengths of the table/ 20diamonds distance)
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