Strongest epoxies?

There's always something better. Is something better necessary ?

The real question is, is tensile strength the property that you are looking for?
Is it the shear strength ?
Is it the cyclic fatigue strength ?
Is it the flexural strength ?
Is it the strength at X deg C
Does it break down in cold weather ?
There are just so many questions, apart from does it bond well to the materials you are using.
A glue that may be good in an aero space situation may not actually be the best glue to hold a tip on, but can bond Carbon fibre and aramid fibre together real well.
Which is why there is no one perfect glue for everything.
Gluing things together is a bit like painting, preparation is the real key to the success of the gluing, and it almost does not matter what it is.
Not quite what you asked but some things to think about before buying glue.
Neil

Ive had good luck with this and its a lot cheaper...



http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/epxy_heavy/technical-data/Loctite-Epoxy-Heavy-Duty.htm

What glue did the Balabushka / Spain and the like used ?

If you want the best kind, 5-minute kind are just about the worst choice.

fish2 said:

What glue did the Balabushka / Spain and the like used ?

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One of our more notable specialists for cues of that era would be Dale, aka, pdcue.
Until he gets here I'll suggest a form of hyde-glue. Not sure when epoxy was available.

never

I would never use 5 min epoxy on a cue for anything......just my opion..... Ray Weeks

T-88:thumbup:
just my opinion

JoeyInCali said:

If you want the best kind, 5-minute kind are just about the worst choice.

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I think you and I are on the short list when it comes to 5 minute epoxy. Let them use what they want. You can't teach those who already know everything.

Michael Webb said:

I think you and I are on the short list when it comes to 5 minute epoxy. Let them use what they want. You can't teach those who already know everything.

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whats your fave mike? conap and i are real tight in the woodworking.....sorta like how sharpies and instrumentation go together lol

I use 5 minute for ferrules only. Everything else I use West System. I think it's funny that people always bash 5 minute but never post what they use.

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DD Custom Cues said:

I use 5 minute for ferrules only. Everything else I use West System. I think it's funny that people always bash 5 minute but never post what they use.

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You have a point. I use West system... 105 with 205 and 207. Also 403 and 404 depending on what I'm doing. I don't use 5 minute...ever. I admit that I use to but when I read that it doesn't bond well. I stopped using it.

I'm sure a good 5-min has it's place.
I use Devcon 2t on every assembly, even ferrules. I'm done being in a hurry.
8 hr min. cure time, rock solid after 24.
I use different epoxies for sealing prior to clear-coat.

I thought I'd better add this before the jury convenes.
Brand-name means very little, properties are what matters.
When a cue breaks, it isn't that the epoxy failed, the wood around it did or
the design construction was such that anything short of welding wouldn't have held.

KJ Cues said:

I'm sure a good 5-min has it's place.
I use Devcon 2t on every assembly, even ferrules. I'm done being in a hurry.
8 hr min. cure time, rock solid after 24.
I use different epoxies for sealing prior to clear-coat.

I thought I'd better add this before the jury convenes.
Brand-name means very little, properties are what matters.
When a cue breaks, it isn't that the epoxy failed, the wood around it did or
the design construction was such that anything short of welding wouldn't have held.

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when i was 16 a friend gave me a mcdermott....had wapped it on the side the table and it busted at an angle on the A joint.......i put it in a ghetto jig i made from some angle iron and such and drilled tiny holes up into and down the handle and forearm....had a big syringe and jammed some jbweld (normal jb weld lol)......shoved it all together, gave it a few taps with a hammer on top a joint protecter.....left over night till next afternoon.....

used that cue for a breaker for year or so....hit like a brick chit house......

wish i still had it.....was worth the looks from others, and it definately used to get me action lol..................................big ga goonie repair job lol....wanted to be one of tramps cues.....you know....one of those wonders! lol

by the way the conap i use is the k20...24hr cure...30min work time.

def of the mind....the longer the cure...the better the epoxy....i've seen 5 min stuff barely ever cure and have had been mixed perfectly....like it was just really hard goop....not solid...not enough for me at least....not in any type of woodworking....ill use plan ass carpenters glue before i use that. From day one in the cue shop i was explained....5min is bad....and i never ever used it....i triied it fixing some chairs once....and it just pissed me off

The strongest epoxy I know is 3M DP-460.
It ain't cheap.
For our purpose, West 105 with different hardeners will work for most purpose.
They key is knowing hot it works.
Be forwarned, it does not give in to heat in case you need to blowtorch a screw.

I have put on quite a few ferrules with the G/flex epoxy made by west systems, it seems to work fine for ferrules, rings and such.

There are some people that have decided to make up self restraining rules that are not based on any scientific fact,

I have seen those that say 5 minute epoxy doesn't bond well. I use it on ferrules, joint caps, butt caps, joint pins, and phenolic shaft inserts, I have never had a 5 min epoxy glue joint fail, come loose, or anything else. I use max 5 min, I glued the handle on my microwave door with it, Metal to plastic,,,,,, it;s been on there for 2 years,,,,, it bonds just as well as it was intended. Some say it is moisture sensitive because of the additives to make it cure fast. Never seen any issue with that either............ These adhesives are made to perform as intended and you should not have any worries about using them correctly.

Some say .... mine never cured and stayed soft.......... well you didn't mix it properly or it was very old.......... never had any epoxy fail to harden....... I mix mine on a gram scale to the manufacture's specs...........

It does yellow over time so I would not use it where it will show,

So be aware that there are self proclaimed experts that just make rules up with no basis except their own misguided ideas and an attempt to become the "go to guy" when they should actually be the "don't listen to his bullshit guy".


Kim

whammo57 said:

There are some people that have decided to make up self restraining rules that are not based on any scientific fact,

I have seen those that say 5 minute epoxy doesn't bond well. I use it on ferrules, joint caps, butt caps, joint pins, and phenolic shaft inserts, I have never had a 5 min epoxy glue joint fail, come loose, or anything else. I use max 5 min, I glued the handle on my microwave door with it, Metal to plastic,,,,,, it;s been on there for 2 years,,,,, it bonds just as well as it was intended. Some say it is moisture sensitive because of the additives to make it cure fast. Never seen any issue with that either............ These adhesives are made to perform as intended and you should not have any worries about using them correctly.

Some say .... mine never cured and stayed soft.......... well you didn't mix it properly or it was very old.......... never had any epoxy fail to harden....... I mix mine on a gram scale to the manufacture's specs...........

It does yellow over time so I would not use it where it will show,

So be aware that there are self proclaimed experts that just make rules up with no basis except their own misguided ideas and an attempt to become the "go to guy" when they should actually be the "don't listen to his bullshit guy".


Kim

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Excuse me if I take that petsonal. If West system says that G5 doesn't bond well. That's pretty good advice as far as I'm concerned. I've done my own testing and I've been at it long eneogh to know what and why I like something and why I do not like it. Especially when it comes to ANY 5 minute epoxy. My personal opinion is that most of you 5 minute wizards are in a hurry for what reason, I have no idea and more importantly, I know longer care. If you started this thread. I wouldn't even have wasted my time to answer. So now that you think I'm an asshole and I have no respect for your 5 minute anything. We can agree to disagree on just about everything. So please take 2 of your 5 minutes and have a nice day.