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01-10-2019, 08:23 PM

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This is what I am talking about.

Shot #1 - One rail speed control
Shot #2 - Two rail speed control
Shot #3 - Three/Four rail speed control
Are you incapable of setting up the same shot and shooting it at different speeds to see where the cue ball winds up, until you actually get the FEEL of it, or has that concept eluded you?


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01-10-2019, 09:39 PM

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I swear that is not possible!
Don't bet a lot of money that Efren can't shoot a spot shot and have it look like a stop shot. And that's not just because you're dyslexic.

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01-11-2019, 05:36 AM

Hi Bob, do you have a video or know how Efren shoots the spot shot without hitting a rail? I've done it by masse'ing the cue ball slightly with a semi-soft stroke. I've heard Efren shoots it on the firm side with an almost level cue. Haven't had the pleasure of seeing him shoot it live, only heard about it through a buddy who saw him do it at Hard Times.
  
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Speed Drills - 01-11-2019, 06:40 AM

A good drill that I have used was suggested by one of our esteemed members on AZB. Put the object ball on the break spot. Cue ball can be placed anywhere in the kitchen. Object of the drill is to make a spot shot into either corner pocket and then re-spot object ball and make it in the same corner playing the cue ball where it lies. Continue with the drill until you miss or scratch. This drill WILL teach you speed control. Good Luck


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01-11-2019, 08:07 AM

Venom posted a nice video yesterday on follow speed drill...
  
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01-11-2019, 08:55 AM

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This is what I am talking about.

Shot #1 - One rail speed control
Shot #2 - Two rail speed control
Shot #3 - Three/Four rail speed control
These seem like cueball target drills to me. You set up a shot and set a target for the cue ball and attempt to leave it there. Each time you set up the shot move the target.


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01-11-2019, 09:48 AM

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Hi Bob, do you have a video or know how Efren shoots the spot shot without hitting a rail? I've done it by masse'ing the cue ball slightly with a semi-soft stroke. I've heard Efren shoots it on the firm side with an almost level cue. Haven't had the pleasure of seeing him shoot it live, only heard about it through a buddy who saw him do it at Hard Times.
Efren shoots it the way you did. No other way could work.

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01-11-2019, 10:54 AM

take a shot like you have diagrammed and practice making the cue ball go different distances on the track lines
i showed some landing zones
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01-11-2019, 10:56 AM

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Hi Bob, do you have a video or know how Efren shoots the spot shot without hitting a rail? I've done it by masse'ing the cue ball slightly with a semi-soft stroke. I've heard Efren shoots it on the firm side with an almost level cue. Haven't had the pleasure of seeing him shoot it live, only heard about it through a buddy who saw him do it at Hard Times.
If he shoots it with an almost level cue, he can win all of my money. I haven't seen him shoot it, either. Well, not all my money, but I'd be willing to pay for it. I think you need to be up at least 30 degrees


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01-11-2019, 11:08 AM

Bert Kinister 60 minute workout. Teach speed control and right routes to go around table safely. It will raise your level of game. I suggest to get video from Bert. http://www.bertkinister.com/

Anyways I have one video where I shoot through most of those 27 shots that he have on workout.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrFR34X8_Y&t=


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01-11-2019, 11:37 AM

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take a shot like you have diagrammed and practice making the cue ball go different distances on the track lines
i showed some landing zones
Good advice. I'd also suggest adding more practice shots (variations on these) to do the same thing with.

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01-11-2019, 01:00 PM

Play a game of 9-ball (or any game you like) against the ghost and setup a target for the cue ball to land in after each shot. If the cue ball doesn't land in the intended target zone then re-setup the shot and try it a few more times until you've mastered it. Once you're satisfied with the shot you can move on to the next shot.

This is a good way to figure out which shots you need to work on more than others.

I've found that a piece of sewing thread works pretty well for a target. You can mold it into various shapes for your target zones and it doesn't affect the cue ball much. Or you can just point with your finger to the target spot on every shot and try to get close.
  
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Don't bet a lot of money that Efren can't shoot a spot shot and have it look like a stop shot. And that's not just because you're dyslexic.


The no rail spot shot discussion came up a few years back. Thomas, td873 on here, posted video of I think ten spot shots with no rail hit. Been a long time and it could have been five shots but I seem to remember ten, all in a row of course!

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The no rail spot shot discussion came up a few years back. Thomas, td873 on here, posted video of I think ten spot shots with no rail hit. Been a long time and it could have been five shots but I seem to remember ten, all in a row of course!

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Of course there are a couple of gaffs that either make it easy or impossible. Fortunately no one on AZB would post gaff videos.

And td's video was probably legit -- the shot's not that hard if you have it dialed in. Efren's stop the cue ball dead shot is a little harder.


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01-11-2019, 08:50 PM

Depending on where you want to start.

Basic set up: Put a ball on intersection of the first diamond short rail and first diamond long rail from corner pocket. Put another ball at the intersection on the opposite short rail corner pocket. Start with ball in hand. Make first ball into its corner, then shoot other ball into it's associated corner. pocket. Keep spotting balls once they are made. See how long you can keep going before missing.

Level 2: Keep cue ball below the 3rd diamond up.

Level 3: force the cue ball off a rail after each shot, again keeping cue ball below 3 diamond (of half table if you want)

Level 4: place 2 more balls on the other end of table at same intersections. Shoot at corner each in succession clockwise or counterclockwise. Again Spotting each ball after pocketing. Again see how long you go around without missing.

Level 5: Same as level 4 but zig zag from end to end. This forces longer table follows for the cue ball.

Optional - put a 3rd and/or 4th ball on head spot and foot spot. Make them the last balls in the rotation again spotting them.

2nd order of difficulty: Start with the setup of each balls at intersection of 2 diamonds along long rail, one diamond on short rail. Repeat levels 1-5.

Again, each ball must be made into its associated pocket.

You could mix up by putting one or two balls on the rails. To make it more challenging. randomly add dead balls into the mix that you have to play around (you cannot hit them after the object ball is pocketed with the cue ball).

Another exercise comes from Tor Lowery in this video. (not really a drill, but a good way to challenge yourself to see how you are improving.)

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