Low deflection / Low squirt shaft comparison
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For sure, Dave. We always have to remember to think from the shallow end of the pond and make sure we always put people in their proper "camps" so we know whether to pay any attention to what they say or not. :wink:
As an aside, I think this same principle is how fractional aiming systems work - by breaking up the range of possible cut angles into smaller "marked" subranges to make estimating actual cut angles within them easier. Kinda like adding calibration markings to a blank gauge.
pj
chgo
Scientists can change an experiment's outcome just by videoing it
Yes, it's amazing what the human mind can do.
Scientists can change an experiment's outcome just by videoing it, isn't that strange....the act of observing actually alters the outcome.
This is called the Heisenburg experiment.
Yes, it's amazing what the human mind can do.
Scientists can change an experiment's outcome just by videoing it, isn't that strange....the act of observing actually alters the outcome.
This is called the Heisenburg experiment.
RBC
Deceased
I understand what you're saying.
But, just because it's done by a robot doesn't mean it's real either. I won't do a robot test, even though I know how to do it properly, because so many have been done improperly. There are just so many variables that can be skewed to show your product as the best. These are the reasons we've moved to a quantifiable measure of actual tip end mass. It is what it is.
As for the subjective testing, there's one big issue that hasn't been addressed, and that is new versus used shafts. Cue shafts don't stay the same through use. They get sanded down, either on purpose or unknowingly through tip replacements. They get repaired some times in ways that can have drastic effects on cue ball squirt. I can't tell you how many Predator shafts that have had a tenon put in them during a ferrule replacement. They definitely aren't the same afterwards. Just a few weeks ago, we had a local player and good friend of mine whose OB-2 had a ferrule failure. When we looked at, it was down to well under 11mm in diameter. Obviously, that's the source of the ferrule issue, but also it means that the cue ball squirt on that shaft was extremely low. When we told him about the diameter he was completely surprised. He didn't realize that it had been worn down over the years. He immediately opted for a new shaft, and understands that he will have to adjust to a little more cue ball squirt.
So, if you're shaft has been modified, or is smaller in diameter than when new, your personal observations of cue ball squirt will not be consistent with new products of the same make and model.
Royce
The shaft diameter has been added to the subjective test data.
The original purpose of this thread was to provide approximate squirt characteristics so that the reader can have an idea of how shafts they are unfamiliar with compare to their current shaft.
This is not intended to be absolute.
"Uncle Joey" triumphs again!!!
"Uncle Joey" triumphs again!!!
Well played.......
Nice to see you cry "Uncle".
JoeyA
"Uncle Joey" triumphs again!!!
Well played.......
I have owned the wx900 and H P II along with several others and I can comfortably say that the Z2 and Wx900 are almost the exact same. Also Mezz has stated on their website that the Ex Pro and Hybrid Pro II have almost the same amount of deflection with the WX900 has the least out of all of them.
Also I just got a new 314-3 Shaft and its really close to the HP II.
I just played with a Tiger shaft at SBE, I would say it's in the Predator range, 6 seems a bit off. I was able to use massive spin with it and pocket 3-4 long shots in a row with it on the 9 foot diamond they had setup.
Currently I have the ex pro lower than the WX 900 because I have played with both the Ex Pro and Z2. The WX 900 was put in the mix (based on hearsay) prior to me playing with the Ex Pro.
We need pivot points for the 314-3 and the WX900, if you could provide them it would be appreciated.
A standard maple shaft has been in the comparison since this thread began. It is a Prather 13mm.
I like this thread, I personally believe that Mezz - Ex Pro 12.5mm - has a very low deflection and I think it should be higher in the list maybe above OB, I've tried both and felt that way, but havent really used any technicial way of measuring it, just a feeling, but it really has a low deflection , I was surprised with this new shaft.