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FargoRate Top Woman in the World is 679. Why? - 08-16-2019, 07:33 AM

I was surprised to see that the current number 1 top rated woman in
Fargorate is only a 679. Why is there such a difference
between the performance of men and women in pool?
  
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08-16-2019, 07:37 AM

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I was surprised to see that the current number 1 top rated woman in
Fargorate is only a 679. Why is there such a difference
between the performance of men and women in pool?
You might be looking at the top USA female.

Here's the world top 10 women:

Ranking Player Name Country Official Rating
1 Chen, Siming CHN 792
2 Liu, Sha Sha CHN 780
3 Fu, Xiao-Fang CHN 772
4 Chou, Chieh Yu TWN 771
5 Yu, Han CHN 771
6 Kim, Ga Young KOR 762
7 Amit, Ruebelin PHI 755
8 Centeno, Chezka PHI 754
9 Pan, Xiaoting CHN 753
10 Fisher, Kelly GBR 749

Oh, and for the difference between men and women -- a lot more men play than women.

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08-16-2019, 07:46 AM

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You might be looking at the top USA female.

Here's the world top 10 women:

Ranking Player Name Country Official Rating
1 Chen, Siming CHN 792
2 Liu, Sha Sha CHN 780
3 Fu, Xiao-Fang CHN 772
4 Chou, Chieh Yu TWN 771
5 Yu, Han CHN 771
6 Kim, Ga Young KOR 762
7 Amit, Ruebelin PHI 755
8 Centeno, Chezka PHI 754
9 Pan, Xiaoting CHN 753
10 Fisher, Kelly GBR 749

Oh, and for the difference between men and women -- a lot more men play than women.
Thank you for clarifying the top US woman is ranked 679 as opposed to the top woman in the world. I guess the current state of top tier US women players havenít kept up with
the rest of the world? I wonder why?
  
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08-16-2019, 07:58 AM

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Thank you for clarifying the top US woman is ranked 679 as opposed to the top woman in the world. I guess the current state of top tier US women players havenít kept up with
the rest of the world? I wonder why?
Because we are not a communist country that pays people to get good at sports.

China is trying to take over the world. Wake up.
  
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08-16-2019, 08:28 AM

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Because we are not a communist country that pays people to get good at sports.


Yeah..just look at the NFL and the NBA...and those damn communists there...with their communist super model girlfriends, their communist Lamborghinis and their communist nike comercials...
  
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08-16-2019, 08:48 AM

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Because we are not a communist country that pays people to get good at sports.

China is trying to take over the world. Wake up.
If this were true, weíd see a similar difference in the US menís ratings compared to China.
  
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08-16-2019, 08:48 AM

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Because we are not a communist country that pays people to get good at sports.

China is trying to take over the world. Wake up.
yup, that's the answer right there. it could be a lack of interest or a lack of talent, in a country where most pool tables nowadays are what the rest of the world considers children size tables, but let's choose the easy way and blame some foreign government. yay. let's use the unsubstianted claim that their pro players are paid big salaries from their government

all i hear is excuses.
  
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08-16-2019, 09:07 AM

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yup, that's the answer right there. it could be a lack of interest or a lack of talent, in a country where most pool tables nowadays are what the rest of the world considers children size tables, but let's choose the easy way and blame some foreign government. yay. let's use the unsubstianted claim that their pro players are paid big salaries from their government

all i hear is excuses.
I don't know about big salaries but all their coaching/training, travel expenses and entries are paid by their national billiard federations. Its kinda like the old Soviet Olympic system where if a kid shows aptitude for a given sport they get everything they need to improve. There is nothing like that here in the U.S. I don't see a U.S. player ever truly competing at their level.
  
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08-16-2019, 09:20 AM

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Thank you for clarifying the top US woman is ranked 679
as opposed to the top woman in the world.
The 679 isn't the player's rank. It's their rating. Think of it as a skill rating,
though that's oversimplifying it.

Multiple players can have the same Fargo rating.

The highest ranked american is Vivian Villareal at 691.
That puts her at #28 in the world.
  
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08-16-2019, 09:32 AM

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yup, that's the answer right there. it could be a lack of interest or a lack of talent, in a country where most pool tables nowadays are what the rest of the world considers children size tables, but let's choose the easy way and blame some foreign government. yay. let's use the unsubstianted claim that their pro players are paid big salaries from their government

all i hear is excuses.
America isn't like overflowing with 7' tables or anything. In the Midwest I hear the bar table is pretty popular but where I'm at I play mostly in 4 places, only 1 has 7' tables...another actually has 1 or 2 I think, but over in the arcade area for people dckin around.

Most American girls probably never think about the game of pool until they get older and get a boyfriend that plays or similar. Some lucky ones might get introduced at a young age by parents but they're probably taught by their father who may or may not know what he's doing.

In these other countries pool is looked at as more of a viable sport and kids probably have more opportunities for introduction and proper training.

America is still, sure, the greatest place in the milky way, of course but we're behind in the pool world. Yet everyone wants to come play here.
  
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The 679 isn't the player's rank. It's their rating. Think of it as a skill rating,
though that's oversimplifying it.

Multiple players can have the same Fargo rating.

The highest ranked american is Vivian Villareal at 691.
That puts her at #28 in the world.
And she can probably get the 6ball from every one of the top-10 players.
  
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I don't know about big salaries but all their coaching/training, travel expenses and entries are paid by their national billiard federations. Its kinda like the old Soviet Olympic system where if a kid shows aptitude for a given sport they get everything they need to improve. There is nothing like that here in the U.S. I don't see a U.S. player ever truly competing at their level.
i hear this claim repeatedly, mostly by americans, but i have yet to see an actual source for it.

noone on that list are american, but five are pinoy, korean or taiwanese. are they also a result of the communist chinese aspiration for world domination, or could it be that they simply play better and practice harder than for example jennifer baretta?
  
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yup, that's the answer right there. it could be a lack of interest or a lack of talent, in a country where most pool tables nowadays are what the rest of the world considers children size tables, but let's choose the easy way and blame some foreign government. yay. let's use the unsubstianted claim that their pro players are paid big salaries from their government

all i hear is excuses.
That claim isn't "unsubstantiated." China has a National team sponsored by the Government. Didn't you hear Jim Wych talk about Siming Chen's match against Mitch Ellerman? It was an electrician facing a full time pool player. Full time HOW? The Chinese government, thats how. Here in the states you get to choose what sport you play. Its called freedom. In China if your elbows are positioned right? You are a diver. Tall? A basketball player...etc.
We would be good at random games too if our Government made children get good at stuff.
  
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That claim isn't "unsubstantiated." China has a National team sponsored by the Government. Didn't you hear Jim Wych talk about Siming Chen's match against Mitch Ellerman? It was an electrician facing a full time pool player. Full time HOW? The Chinese government, thats how. Here in the states you get to choose what sport you play. Its called freedom. In China if your elbows are positioned right? You are a diver. Tall? A basketball player...etc.
We would be good at random games too if our Government made children get good at stuff.
  
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Yeah..just look at the NFL and the NBA...and those damn communists there...with their communist super model girlfriends, their communist Lamborghinis and their communist nike comercials...
US is the only country that really cares about those two sports, and other countries that do like basketball come out with some pretty good players. Those are based on body types anyhow, not a lot of 250 lb 6'10 Chinese around.


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