Has Anyone Out There Heard Of This Game?

boti2634

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Good evening all!

I'm wondering if somebody out there on AZ can answer a couple of questions for me...

1 - Has anyone out there ever heard of a practice game in which you rack all fifteen balls, break, run the first ten balls (at one point per ball) in any order you choose, run the five remaining balls (at two points per ball) in rotation, and total up your score after ten racks? (If you scratch or miss on any shot attempt you start a new rack)

2 - If so, then can you please tell me if you take ball in hand after the break?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Paul
 

UWPoolGod1

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Sounds like the game FARGO. I used to practice it as it helps shotmaking like straight pool and then 5 ball runouts which are key in 9ball. The rules used to be on playpool.com but doesnt look like it anymore. I cant remember if you get BIH after the break or not.
 

selftaut

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UW nailed it , as it is a form of Fargo , 1 point for any order balls and 2 points for rotation balls , but under the actual fargo rules (if you have an opponent) the player at the table may select to go into the rotation mode at any time during the game and try to gather 2 points per ball , but no going back after you choose to go into rotation, but as you can realize that would depend on the layout after the break. Yes it is ball in hand anywhere on the table after the break, the player breaking rack own balls and can place them in any order, and there is no certain amount of balls have to hit the rail on the reak , a miscued bad break and your screwed.
 
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Cornerman

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boti2634 said:
Good evening all!

I'm wondering if somebody out there on AZ can answer a couple of questions for me...

1 - Has anyone out there ever heard of a practice game in which you rack all fifteen balls, break, run the first ten balls (at one point per ball) in any order you choose, run the five remaining balls (at two points per ball) in rotation, and total up your score after ten racks? (If you scratch or miss on any shot attempt you start a new rack)

2 - If so, then can you please tell me if you take ball in hand after the break?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Paul
This is NOT FARGO. It's Allen Hopkins' Q-Skills. The game of FARGO was invented by AZBer mikepage after an internet Q-Skills tournament. That is, Q-Skills begat FARGO.

You can take ball in hand after the break if you want. Or you can keep it in place if you want. Whatever you do, it's just up to you tell people that you played it that way. Similar to playing the ghost.

Fred
 

Pushout

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Yikes! Forgot about Q-Skills. I just recopied the rules a short while ago, too.
 
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Scottster

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I thought on Q-Skill, You could move the CB to the head spot, center spot or foot spot after the break at the cost of a 1-point penalty.

In Fargo, you could decide to switch to rotation at any time during the rack for 2 points a ball.

I Think Both are good practice games when playing by yourself.
 

Bob Jewett

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Scottster said:
I thought on Q-Skill, You could move the CB to the head spot, center spot or foot spot after the break at the cost of a 1-point penalty.

In Fargo, you could decide to switch to rotation at any time during the rack for 2 points a ball.

I Think Both are good practice games when playing by yourself.
Fargo is much better at teaching you how bad your estimate of your ability to run out in the rotation part is. It's really humbling when you get greedy and switch to rotation on the 5 only to have the "easy" rack go wrong immediately.
 

smokeandapancak

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I just got off of the table tonight...sole purposeI went out was to play this game..

first off..THANK YOU... I was getting a little stuck in my solo routine..but this, this was awesome...a lot of fun..you really get to work on elements form most all other games.

the question I have is, how do you play this against some one? Lets say I run 10 1 pt shots and flop 2 shots in the the rotation....how does the other guy come in...finish up the rack and break new....or re-rack and play to beat my score of 12.. ????
 

Steve - Detroit

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Fargo rules

Can't remember where these were copied from but maybe they'll help.

Rules
Except when clearly contradicted by these additional rules, the BCA General Rules of Pocket Billiards apply.
1. TYPE OF GAME: FARGO is a game that consists of 10 innings (or frames). The player's game score is the total of the scores for these 10 innings. In each inning, the player scores points until he either misses or succeeds in shooting all 15 balls. Fargo is a challenging game, with aspects of both straight pool and rotation, and is suitable for both beginner and expert players.
2. PLAYERS: Any number of players can compete.
3. BALLS USED: A standard set of balls, 1-15, plus the cue ball.
4. THE RACK: A standard triangle rack is used. The balls are racked at the beginning of each inning for each player. The player may choose to rack his own balls and to place balls in the rack in any order that he believes is to his advantage.
5. OBJECT OF THE GAME: To score more total points than the opponent(s) in a predetermined number of innings (300 points is the maximum in a 10 inning game).
6. SCORING: Each inning consists of a "random phase" and a "rotation phase". In the beginning of each inning the player places a coin on the table rail with the heads up (or some other conspicuous marking device may be used, such as a piece of paper with "random" written on one side and "rotation" on the other). Balls are then pocketed in any order (i.e. in "random" order) and they count one point each. At any time during the inning, including before the first ball is pocketed, the player may choose to turn the coin over. This designates the beginning of the rotation phase. After the coin flip, the lowest numbered ball on the table must be contacted first (i.e. the balls are shot in "rotation"). Any legally pocketed balls after the coin flip count two points each. There is only a single coin flip each inning.
7. OPENING BREAK: At the start of each inning the player breaks from behind the headstring and has a free break (no special balls to cushion or other requirements once the break stroke commences, and there is no penalty for scratches or jumped balls). Any balls pocketed on the break shot or jumped off the table are spotted, and the player begins by taking ball in hand anywhere on the table.
8. RULES OF PLAY:
8.1. Fargo is a call shot game. The player must designate the ball and call a pocket for each shot. He need not indicate kisses, caroms, combinations, or cushions (all of which are allowed). A legally pocketed ball entitles the shooter to continue at the table until he fails to pocket legally a called ball, or until he has pocketed all of the balls.
8.2. The player is entitled to any additional balls that are pocketed on a shot, as long as he pockets legally his called ball; the additional balls count the same as the called ball.
8.3. Initial playing order is determined by lag, or if several opponents are playing, by lot. Shooting order for subsequent innings is determined by the scoring results of the preceding innings - the player with the highest score shooting first. If several opponents are playing, all of the players shoot in order of their partial scores, with the higher players going first. In the event of a tied score the playing order is the same as for the previous inning. When playing on separate tables, or in separate locations as in an internet competition, the player order is determined by the Tournament Director as appropriate and practical for the situation; this includes the option of playing the entire 10 innings and reporting the scores to the Tournament Director at the end of the game.
9. PENALTY FOR FOULS: There is no point penalty for fouls; the player's inning ends and any balls pocketed on the foul stroke do not count. After the coin flip (i.e. during the rotation phase), contacting first an object ball other than the lowest numbered ball (a bad hit) is a foul
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FARGO FAQ
1) Do I have to call my shots?
Yes, see rule 8.1. The ball and the pocket must be designated, the other details are irrelevant, just as in Equal Offense or 14.1. Shots must be called in both the random and the rotation phases.
2) What if I scratch on the break?
See rule 7. There is no penalty for a scratch on the break, or for jumped balls.
3) If an extra ball slops in during the rotation phase, does it count as two points?
Yes, see rules 6 and 8.2. Balls pocketed legally before the coin flip (during the random phase) count one point each, balls pocketed after the coin flip (the rotation phase) count two points each.
4) After I turn over the coin and take a shot in the rotation phase, may I change my mind and flip it back to the random phase?
No, see rule 6. After the coin is flipped, you are committed to the rotation phase for the rest of that inning.
5)If I shoot in 14 balls in the random phase, may I flip the coin to get two points for the last ball?
Yes.
6) Are combinations OK in the rotation phase?
Yes, combinations and caroms are allowed in the rotation phase. The requirement is the same as in 9-ball, namely that you hit the lowest numbered ball first, with the addition that the ball must be designated and its pocket must be called.
7) What are some good strategies?
This depends on the player's skill level. A beginner (say someone who typically scores less than 100 should simply try to pocket all the balls he can randomly; if he gets to a point where he knows a cluster is going to stop the run, or if he runs down to the last two or three balls, only then should he consider flipping the coin. An intermediate player (100 to 200 points) should clear out all the clusters and trouble balls during the random phase, and play as many balls as possible at the end of the run in rotation. An advanced player (over 200 points should break out only the most difficult clusters during the random phase, and he will be able to break out the remaining clusters during the rotation phase; with a lucky break and a good spread of the balls, he may be able to play the entire 15 balls in rotation.
8) How do I rack the balls to make the rotation phase as easy as possible?
In general, the corner balls roll the farthest, balls along the sides and the rear of the rack tend to stay together, and the three balls in the middle usually don't roll very far. On the break shot, you want a good spread of the balls to minimize the number of clusters, but not so much scatter that the nearby balls are widely separated. Experiment with both ball position in the rack and various break shots to see what works best for you.


Fargo Rating

Rating Scores
Pro above 220
AA 160-220
A 130-160
B 100-130
C 60-100
D below 60
 

selftaut

straight pool nut
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smokeandapancak said:
I just got off of the table tonight...sole purposeI went out was to play this game..

first off..THANK YOU... I was getting a little stuck in my solo routine..but this, this was awesome...a lot of fun..you really get to work on elements form most all other games.

the question I have is, how do you play this against some one? Lets say I run 10 1 pt shots and flop 2 shots in the the rotation....how does the other guy come in...finish up the rack and break new....or re-rack and play to beat my score of 12.. ????

When you miss or foul your inning is over , your opponent then reracks and breaks , each player plays 10 racks (10 innings) and highest total score is the winner.
 
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