Dcc 2021

Worminator · Feb 2, 2020

I spent 6 days at this year's DCC. Obviously, there were a lot of changes at the venue. Overall feedback I heard was not positive at all. I'm not certain what all Greg and Diamond can do about the venue at this point, but would be interested on some ideas to keep people coming back.

Please keep this thread 100% positive in nature... everyone that has been to the DCC knows the challenges with the current venue, not looking to rehash that or hear how much everyone loved the EW... that is all water under the bridge.

mnsneakypete · Feb 2, 2020

I have probably made it to 5 or 6 DCCs over the years and really enjoyed them. I have an up-and-comer son who would benefit from the experience. If there is any concern for the future of the sport, finding a venue that permits juniors (or even 18-20 year olds) to participate should be a top priority. My son and I were ready to commit until the news broke on the new age restrictions. I will not be returning if the current restrictions remain in place. I thought the EW was better in many respects, but I will withhold any further comment.

King T · Feb 2, 2020

Move it!!!

Its not enjoyable anymore, its time to move it.., New Orleans? Lake Charles? Houston? Dallas? It's time to head to a nicer climate and easier city to get to and move around in.

j2pac · Feb 2, 2020

King T said:
Its not enjoyable anymore, its time to move it.., New Orleans? Lake Charles? Houston? Dallas? It's time to head to a nicer climate and easier city to get to and move around in.

Columbus, Ohio has a really nice Convention center. Fantastic Arena district. Just saying.

gxman · Feb 2, 2020

I think it might be important to be close to the Diamond factory so it would be easier to transport and setup the tables?

Joe_Jaguar · Feb 2, 2020

King T said:
Its not enjoyable anymore, its time to move it.., New Orleans? Lake Charles? Houston? Dallas? It's time to head to a nicer climate and easier city to get to and move around in.

I'll second NOLA.

Was there ever any further word from Sullivan if he was going to try a second location again?

King T · Feb 2, 2020

Well...,

j2pac said:
Columbus, Ohio has a really nice Convention center. Fantastic Arena district. Just saying.

Ohio? Nice place, bad weather..., New Orleans or Lake Charles, gets you to Houston in 5hrs or less all freeway driving, Dallas too, Action, Action, Action!!

Food, Women, good weather and more Pool halls then anywhere in the country!

Let make the move!

brandoncook26 · Feb 2, 2020

I believe that the tournament is contracted to the casino for the next two years, 21 and 22, so moving it is likely not an option for a few years. Another problem is I think the casino adds a lot of money in and it’s hard to find a place willing to do that.

I have to think there are places around Louisville that are able to handle it. Convention center. Hotel with big ballroom. I’m not sure.

Short of moving I don’t know how it can be improved much at the casino. I enjoyed the straight pool and now it’s gone. I’d like to see straight pool come back as a high run challenge without the tournament at the end maybe. The one pocket ghost challenge was cool. They’ve done lots of things over the years.

The action is pretty much dry at this point and there’s no extra curriculars like I mentioned above. It’s solely about the tournament now. I don’t see that changing unless a new venue can be acquired.

mvp · Feb 2, 2020

When I played tap league we had the national championships at the galt house hotel downtown Louisville, it housed about 200 bar boxes no problem. Plus walking distance to 4th street night life

jay helfert · Feb 2, 2020

Is it just me or did anyone else notice a sizeable increase in the prize funds for each division. They added 25K to all three divisions this year. I don't think that was the case last year or earlier. Correct me if I'm wrong. In past years the Bank Pool typically paid 10K for first and the One Pocket paid 12K. This year I think both of them had 16K on top and the 9-Ball even more. I would still like to see all the payouts. For some reason they are not well publicized and they should be. 100K added in total is not too shabby!

tableroll · Feb 2, 2020

Worminator said:
I spent 6 days at this year's DCC. Obviously, there were a lot of changes at the venue. Overall feedback I heard was not positive at all. I'm not certain what all Greg and Diamond can do about the venue at this point, but would be interested on some ideas to keep people coming back.

Please keep this thread 100% positive in nature... everyone that has been to the DCC knows the challenges with the current venue, not looking to rehash that or hear how much everyone loved the EW... that is all water under the bridge.

Using abreviations like EW does no good.

sjm · Feb 2, 2020

jay helfert said:
Is it just me or did anyone else notice a sizeable increase in the prize funds for each division. They added 25K to all three divisions this year. I don't think that was the case last year or earlier. Correct me if I'm wrong. In past years the Bank Pool typically paid 10K for first and the One Pocket paid 12K. This year I think both of them had 16K on top and the 9-Ball even more. I would still like to see all the payouts. For some reason they are not well publicized and they should be. 100K added in total is not too shabby!

That's right. For the first time, all three core events had $25,000 added, enabling a far more substantial prize fund. Your recollection of 10,00 for banks and 12,000 for one pocket last year is correct. Each event paid 16,000 for first this year.

As I see it:

Bigfoot 16,000 added
Banks 25,000 added
One pocket 25,000 added
Banks ring game 6,000 added
Nine ball 25,000added

So that's $97,000 added in total, nothing to sniff at. Add the $1,000 added to each of the three midnight minis and you get to that magical number of $100,000 added.

sjm · Feb 2, 2020

Worminator said:
I spent 6 days at this year's DCC. Obviously, there were a lot of changes at the venue. Overall feedback I heard was not positive at all. I'm not certain what all Greg and Diamond can do about the venue at this point, but would be interested on some ideas to keep people coming back.

Please keep this thread 100% positive in nature... everyone that has been to the DCC knows the challenges with the current venue, not looking to rehash that or hear how much everyone loved the EW... that is all water under the bridge.

Wow, while I agree that the hotel itself has always seemed second rate to me, I thought that the 2020 event was better on many fronts, but particularly with respect to the schedule. Things stayed more on time than in recent years, with semifinals, finals, and the ring game all finishing at reasonable hours relative to schedule.

Action matches were too few and for those that attend for the action matches, the 2020 Derby had to be a disappointment. That said, lack of space had little to do with the lack of action.

The enormous fields that the core events draw are the reason the Derby has possibly outgrown the venue, but Diamond is committed to keeping the field open until the very last moment rather than capping it at a certain number of players, and I think this makes the Derby better.

The Southern Classic proved that the Derby style event is not necessarily sustainable just anywhere in the country. For now, I think the Derby is doing fine where it is, but it seems I may be in the minority.

$TAKE HOR$E · Feb 3, 2020

At least now there’s no place to eat except Binions and you can smell like smoke closer to the tournament since the casino is right there lol...it’s a shame but it’ll never move as long as the casino and Gregg are making more money. The only thing better this year than in the past is they didn’t have their hand in your pocket for WiFi...they make up for it tho at the little hotel diner, $31 for breakfast for two people for Bs&Gs :thumbup:

Saturated Fats · Feb 3, 2020

brandoncook26 said:
I think the casino adds a lot of money in and it’s hard to find a place willing to do that.

I don't have any inside information, but in previous years the casino was a named sponsor. Not so this year, so I suspect that Caesar's is not contributing in the way that the Horseshoe did.

Keith E. · Feb 3, 2020

Opening with knowing that no one entity can make everybody happy, I'll say a couple of things. The DCC Experience is on my "list" for next year. I'm not personally aware of any other event that brings what this one does. I'm pretty sure that there can be improvements made to just about anything with enough time/money thrown at it, The attendees that I've spoken with over the years have all had a great time, overall. I hope to leave there next year with the same feeling.

I believe that Greg has done a wonderful thing with this event and I think that it's pretty well known that there have been some years with financial losses. The man is in business and it seems that some of the suggestions lauded haven't been well thought out. It's one thing to offer suggestions but can we really expect the founder to just make changes in order to make things a little more comfortable for a few folks to the tune of losing a lot of money? I personally don't think that's a reasonable expectation.

I plan to be there next year and support this great event and hope to see some of you good folks out there.

Keith
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briankenobi · Feb 3, 2020

Had another good time at Derby this past weekend. Of the 22 now, I have been to/played in 15 of them. Always a good time. I heard there wasn't as much action this year as in the past. I don't get into all that so I don't know for sure.

The age issue, it is what it is. I hear a lot of people saying they should change the venue. I know for a fact that Diamond gets money from the casino. If what I heard was accurate, it is a considerable amount. It would not make sense to throw that revenue away to make a smaller amount of people, the juniors, happy. And I love doing stuff for the juniors don't get me wrong. But the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. That last statement was all logic with no emotions and I think people get emotional about the topic.

I did like the rule changes/format changes. Everything finished at a reasonable time. No more finals starting at 2am. Great job there.

I have 1st hand knowledge that Diamond has something else big to announce that I think people will like but I will wait until they announce that.

lfigueroa · Feb 3, 2020

It is a slog and it is not perfect but it's still pretty good.

I showed a couple of folks a photo of the main tournament room taken from the balcony and they were all: wow.

You got a big tournament professionally run, you got lodging, you got food, you got security, you have an airport 30-45 minutes away, so even with its shortcoming it's still pretty good. And think about relocating to a convention center: a big, high ceiling box with zero atmosphere where you'd have to find a place to stay and eat, or eat off a concession stand vs all the casino has to offer. And it looked to me that they were still building out so who knows what else they'll have available in future years.

I think we're lucky to have the DCC in its current incarnation. So be careful what you wish for because one day everyone may be reminiscing about the good ole days at the Horseshoe.

Lou Figueroa

Andrew Manning · Feb 3, 2020

sjm said:
Action matches were too few and for those that attend for the action matches, the 2020 Derby had to be a disappointment. That said, lack of space had little to do with the lack of action.

brandoncook26 said:
The action is pretty much dry at this point

So does anyone have insight into why the action isn't what it used to be? Is there anything that they could change to help revive it?

briankenobi · Feb 3, 2020

Andrew Manning said:
So does anyone have insight into why the action isn't what it used to be? Is there anything that they could change to help revive it?

Here is something that I hear from people since I am not in the action scene. I know at the EW there was always money on the lights. At the casino they take the "no gambling" seriously so you can't advertise that you are in action. Its one of those, hey, we are playing for $$$$ but have to discretely pay. Again, this is what I have heard so maybe someone can confirm that. I do hear that the action was better at EW.

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