I think its a great idea and worth testing over time to see how it holds up. Hang in there. You know what they say "Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one."there are no waves, the grain of the cloth is straight at every pocket. Are these the pics you want? with extra brads and spray glue the cloth is held without any panty lines. I pulled the cloth with me on my back, legs against the table and all of my arm strength(2 hands) and 220 pounds.
Today I set up a Diamond pro using modified tac strips. Using a brad gun you can add additional tacs where ever you like which improves the bite of these guys, in addition I sprayed them with adhesive which added to their holding power. The guy that just bought my GC V couldn't believe it when I showed him them on my table. I also made them for the pockets on my table.
Yes noone has to use these but they work great. No staples to take out next time or glue.
I am sorry if some of you don't like me or what I do. If you guys don't like me then give me bad rep and knock down my reputation. But please don't attack me and post lies. I am really disgusted with recent comments and as some of my colleagues have warned me about posting in the forum I disregarded their advice. Now its time to take abreak again I think.
I take pride in my work, my products etc and anyone who thinks I don't can you know what.
Oh yeah, setting this table up(my first one) was a piece of cake, my hat is off to Diamond on a great table and I would have kept it for myself but there will be another I am sure. Would like to go to the fatory this summer if possible and see Glen there. Hope to really see some of you on my way.
Thats quite a compliment coming from the legendary Eddie Robin.Hello OTLB,
Though I personally hate actually doing any table mechanic work, I do like to see what you guys are coming up with for I'm always wanting to learn more about all billiard-related things. Though I'm sure much has changed and that there have been various improvements in products and technique since I've done such work, I did do some rebuilding of antiques years ago and was even put in charge of the work done by mechanics for the International 3-Cushion event here in Las Vegas back in 1970. Even got a two-page center-page write-up in the June? Issue of the National Billiard News for my work back then. That was mainly because of how Raymond Ceulemans was telling others that he had no idea American Tables could be made to play that well (he set a new world-breaking record for average in 3-cushion that year on the old tables we had rebuilt).
Anyway, in addition to my obvious liking to brag, I wanted to show that I do know something about table mechanic work so you may better enjoy my opinion that you are obviously one of those very unusual guys that can come up with new and yet very workable ideas. I'm quite impressed. Who knows; this new idea of yours may become quite standard for years to come. Time will tell. This idea required imagination and a lessened need for the agreement of others. As I've often explained, some once thought the world was flat from their inability to disagree with the masses.
Thanks for sharing,
Eddie Robin
thanks, remember once you tighten the rails they also help keep the cloth in place. I had to stop using pliers as I was ripping the cloth because it was so tight. This is a pic from another install of a GC, the wood floor was slippery and I kept pulling my body into the table so I couldn't lay back. Anyways these are the pliers I mean, not normal ones.
I continue to be asked to show pics? I have showed more pics of things than anyone in this forum/QUOTE]
Not even close:rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
Because pictures are worth a 1,000 words John. I just think a mechanic should know how much stretch is used for the kind of cloth and size of table they're working on, so as to be able to repeat the exact same work on an alike table. The maximum stretch can't be achieved by all, but a minimum can. So as to answer your question again, there should be a minimum stretch based on the mechanic's ability to stretch the cloth on the bed, in which if that stretch is also as tight as the mechanic can pull, then the minimum and maximum become the same...wouldn't you agree? And no two mechanics are the same, so that standard would be different from mechanic to mechanic...right?
Glen
min max yes I agree etc but what is the min and what is the max? that is the question. Now a dif mech can be ranked within those 2 parameters which should be established IMO. At the very least a company like Simonis should be able to have this type of documented data either through their own DOE's or data collected from mech's in the field. If they want to continue to be recognized as a leader they should be able to do this very easily and with short order...........IMO
And finally why? why do they provide instructions for installing their cloth that from most everyone in this forum are not followed??????
Unless a guy ages quickly I believe he is likely to give it his all every time which by your own stds means he has repetitive performance.
But if he is weaker than what the std is for min stretch on a given size table and given cloth he can't do the job. Of course this is why I started the thread.
Glen I read you loud and clear. There must be a min stretch that is sufficent for a particular cloth and that is why I stated in the thread I started std green. Yes the blue feels light compared to the green. I think I will weigh it. But as you said, if a mech pulls it as tight as they can its ok.
You are highlighting a problem with Simonis though aren't you? Why do 2 cloths of 860 in dif colors not have the same stretch if they are made the same. Is it with the dyeing process? How is their thread dyed?
Big can of worms here