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03-03-2012, 01:31 AM

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What a load of crap. Is that why you turned your back on me when I came up with a good idea for my area?


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03-03-2012, 08:06 AM

Do we need to go around in circles about this again?

You live in CANADA, I do not sell to Canada. You have 3 distributors in CANADA.

Besides, let your buddy Joe Barringer know he has helped the Kamui brand become big with his fictional story telling. And I love your 2cents worth in that too.



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03-03-2012, 03:32 PM

Glad you liked it. I have no problems dealing with Joe.

I have no problem installing Black King tips to many of my customers.
Robert has no problems selling to Canadians.

If you like my 2 cents, then you'll love my Kamui chalk review coming soon.
I believe that I will include words like Hype and Gimmick.


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moori tips - 03-03-2012, 06:18 PM

reminds me of my pool leugue lol all the bicqering i thought pool was for fun why do yas say kamuis are hi i buy for around 13 and mooris 8.50 and im not a dealer new to az and pool repair
  
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I promote traingle's They play just as good or better than them overpriced laminates, and they don't have a glue line that could potentionally cause a miscue. I got a word for people that fall for all the B.S. hype chalk, and tips.....Suckers Here's another. Fish Lol, if i see Kamui chalk on their table, They're definately getting asked to play some
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03-04-2012, 09:12 PM

As I have heard from only one source. That it is known that Mr. Moori has been very sick and in a hospital for some time. The company is also for sale.

I can not verify this but my source has told me that it is true. Don't bash me for passing along some piece of info that may or may not be true. However it does make perfect scene.


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As I have heard from only one source. That it is known that Mr. Moori has been very sick and in a hospital for some time. The company is also for sale.

I can not verify this but my source has told me that it is true. Don't bash me for passing along some piece of info that may or may not be true. However it does make perfect scene.
I have not heard that and my order from Japan is now confirmed with no current price increase on the tips they have in stock. The rest of my order may see a price increase. If so I will have to raise my prices. I have had about a $1.50 per tip price increase on Moori tips that I have paid over the past few years, yet I kept my prices the same. The price on Moori tips is really too low, but I have kept the price what it is because I have very little labor in sending them out and others were selling for similar prices. The price really needs to go up about $2 per tip, but a $5 increase seems high, unless Atlas knows something I do not. I personally think the price on Kamui tips is about right. For the life of me I never understood why I was skipped over as a distributor for Kamui. I have been one of the main three suppliers of cue making supplies and one of the three main cue machinery makers for at least 15 years before Kamui was started.
  
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I have not heard that and my order from Japan is now confirmed with no current price increase on the tips they have in stock. The rest of my order may see a price increase. If so I will have to raise my prices. I have had about a $1.50 per tip price increase on Moori tips that I have paid over the past few years, yet I kept my prices the same. The price on Moori tips is really too low, but I have kept the price what it is because I have very little labor in sending them out and others were selling for similar prices. The price really needs to go up about $2 per tip, but a $5 increase seems high, unless Atlas knows something I do not. I personally think the price on Kamui tips is about right. For the life of me I never understood why I was skipped over as a distributor for Kamui. I have been one of the main three suppliers of cue making supplies and one of the three main cue machinery makers for at least 15 years before Kamui was started.
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It is what it is.
If you think is a robbery don't buy the tips.
Are you saying that you are not making any money by installing them?
If you installed them at $35.00 a tip that's almost a 5K profit. Sorry, I am not counting the blades price or glue (probably around 4K profit and together with those installs I am sure you sold and got a few more orders on custom cues.
I know what the process is to manufacture the chalk and believe it or not, the profit is very, very low.
I know the price of your cues are very affordable, but if somebody says they are too expensive what are you going to say?
You will not lower the price of your cues just because the customer said it was very cheap or very expensive, are you?
Are you saying we now have to dictate how much a tip might cost? A Porsche, a Ford, a Ridgid router? Really???
Not defending Kamui or any other brand but if you do not like them, don't buy them, that simple.
In another hand I do think that the Kamui tips are the best layered tip in the market, bar none.
Your speech almost looks like Joe Beringers rant on Kamui tips...
Something you might forgot, Kamui does not sell the tips directly to players only to cuemakers and repairmen. Is that a bad thing? That's driving business to your shop...
If you are not defending their prices just exactly what are you doing? Yes, I've made a lot of money by screwing over players who purchase them but I've been trying my best to turn people off of them. I tell people that they are greatly over priced but if that's what they want then I'll accommodate them. As far as the chalk goes, if my calculations are correct they are selling the chalk at 1665.00 a pound. Just what type of material are they using, Uranium?

There are others who sell the kamuis. I used to get them for around 3.00 cheaper than John but he made sure that they had to raise their price or lose the availability of acquiring them. Yeh, that's really looking out for the mechanic and players.

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You don't to Canadians but many of your distributors will.
The part that I find funny is that you will never find out the Dealers that will.

I will avoid Kamui tips at all cost and won't pay Canadian dealer prices for them if I did.

The main reason I avoid them is because of the US distributor.

OK, I did buy a piece of chalk as I wanted to see what all the hype was about. So far I can play one game of 8 ball on one chalking. I can take 3 to 4 shots on one chalking with a piece of Blue Diamond or Pre Flag Master chalk too.

It is kind of cool to fool around with but I don't think its 25 dollar cool.

I let quite a few players try it, only after cleaning the old chalk off and scuffing their tip.

Most of them felt that they were losing cue ball control toward the end of the game.

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You don't to Canadians but many of your distributors will.
The part that I find funny is that you will never find out the Dealers that will.

I will avoid Kamui tips at all cost and won't pay Canadian dealer prices for them if I did.

The main reason I avoid them is because of the US distributor.

OK, I did buy a piece of chalk as I wanted to see what all the hype was about. So far I can play one game of 8 ball on one chalking. I can take 3 to 4 shots on one chalking with a piece of Blue Diamond or Pre Flag Master chalk too.

It is kind of cool to fool around with but I don't think its 25 dollar cool.

I let quite a few players try it, only after cleaning the old chalk off and scuffing their tip.

Most of them felt that they were losing cue ball control toward the end of the game.

Which is one heck of a great reason to chalk after every shot.
I totally agree with the last 2 sentences.When I watched Mika promote the chalk he was still chalking every shot.
When it comes down to common sense and pool 101,players are taught to chalk every shot.Even that they say you can chalk once a game,I had
to ask myself,if I was hill-hill and I had a open runout to win the event,
would I just chalk once with Kamui Chalk or would I chalk after each shot?Anyone that would say they would just chalk once for the runout
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03-05-2012, 06:06 PM

I supported moori for a number of years, at least 10.
I still stock moori tips, but for the last year or so I really like kamui.
I purchase all of my kamui product from one of the Canadian dealers.......
I love the product, but as with others, I wish there were better margins on the tips, and chalk.
As authorized installers, we should be able to make a premium dollar to install and supply these premium tips.
Especially if end users always seem to be able to get the tips for the same price as I can, or cheaper even.
I wish I was as unscrupulous as some of these non-installer guys who can get the same product as I get, for lower prices.
The only problem I see with kamui is the pricing to us is not as good as I think it can be.


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03-05-2012, 06:21 PM

That was another issue I had Darcy. I never did expect to get rich repairing cues. Its mostly for the knowledge and a hobby. My repairs support my hobby just fine. However, why would I push Kamui tips, paying $5 and even more for Kamui than the average tip that I stock and install.

I could have easily pushed Kamui over anything else I stock but its not worth my while. People are happy with Mooris, Talisman, Wizard, Everest and Sniper.

And now, The All New Black King tips have proven quite well. Lots of room for profit there and they are a great tip to boot.

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03-05-2012, 07:52 PM

I don't mind the black king, it's a quality tip,
Not a whole lot cheaper than a kamui.... Especially for a new to market tip.
I have only talked a few people into trying them here so far.
I really do love the chalk.
I haven't had a person give me any bad feedback on it yet.
There's a few well known players in town that have asked me for some. These guys are kinda notorious for not giving their money away
If they are spending the loot on it, there's gotta be something to the hype


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03-05-2012, 08:39 PM

Since I can't help myself.

A: I agree with Joe Barringer and everyone else who thinks they should be able to set their own prices and not worry about getting strong armed with the threat of having their distributorship yanked.

B: I can handle charging 30 a tip. I include cleaning and recondition on shaft for that, so I don't feel bad.

C: I have a difficult time with the price of the chalk and Gator Grip, although I think the latter is a great product.


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