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10-21-2019, 02:34 PM

Drago could play at a world class speed with more consistency than any fast player I've seen. Salvas played faster but couldn't win at an International level like Drago.(Although Salvas did win an ESPN speed pool competition, running around the table wasn't that much different than how he plays anyway.) Don't sneeze at Rodney Morris, he is up there too. Earl and Siegel could play fast, especially Earl, but it wasn't really part of their identity. Roger Griffiths was fast too. Shaw and Filler play naturally quick, still not like Drago and Salvas who consistently flew around the table as if thats they way they HAD to shoot.
  
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10-21-2019, 02:42 PM

Alex has to be one of the slowest players- especially when he plays one pocket
  
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10-21-2019, 03:53 PM

Ronnie O'Sullivan runs 147 while Peter Ebdon runs...12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIyfLTFrN_U&t=77s


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10-21-2019, 03:59 PM

Who is the best medium paced player?


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10-21-2019, 04:20 PM

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Two of the slowest players won US Open 9-ball titles and that would be Ralf Souquet and Jeremy Jones. Of course, by reputation, the slowest ever player among top players was BCA Hall of Famer Frank Taberski, whose best pool was played about 100 years ago.

Agreed that Drago is the fastest, definitely faster than Butera and Salvas. For you old timers, there was a top player of the 1970's and 1980's from the Philadelphia area called Steve "Stevie Wonder" Dobrowolski. Steve played just about as fast as Drago, and probably faster than both Salvas and Butera.
I've honestly heard more of jj than I've seen him play, but he's obviously a thinker
taberski and dobrowolski I'm not hip to, but I googled stevie and found this shot:
http://www.billiardsdigest.com/new_s...mar09index.php
I actually couldn't see the vid, but nice synopsis of a nice shot
totally forgot about the tornado..another poster mentioned rocket rodney
it's amazing to me how quick, and well, those guys play
drago made me think of another rocket, ronnie o

this thread title unintentionally reads like a gimmick
but whether it's during the psr, shooting the shot
during a match, or a tournament
even practice, even off the table
fast, or slow, and in between
whatever comes natural to a player
or is created by thoughtful design
a good pace is surely crucial to understanding
and executing the game

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10-21-2019, 04:30 PM

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Ronnie O'Sullivan runs 147 while Peter Ebdon runs...12.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIyfLTFrN_U&t=77s
ha ha ha! That was hilarious!
  
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10-21-2019, 04:34 PM

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Lou Butera was faster.

Luc Salvas was faster.

Im sure there are more that arent coming immediately to mind.
I agree, machine gun Lou
  
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i don't mind slow but i can't stand the getting up from the shot 3 times every other shot. orcollo, kaci, alex comes to mind
I agree orcollo drives me crazy
  
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10-21-2019, 05:07 PM

Didn't Lou Butera run a 125 or 150 in 28 minutes in a 14.1 tourney? I recall reading that somewhere.


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10-21-2019, 05:17 PM

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Didn't Lou Butera run a 125 or 150 in 28 minutes in a 14.1 tourney? I recall reading that somewhere.
In competition, I remember 150 in 21 1/2 minutes. In practice, who knows?

Lou was the fastest player of the straight pool era, but the nine ball era has produced several that play at a faster pace than Lou.

If we consider BCA HOFers only, the slowest of the straight pool era was Taberski and the fastest was Butera. In the nine ball era, the slowest is Souquet and the fastest is probably Earl Strickland.
  
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10-22-2019, 07:02 AM

I've seen Danny "Kid Delicious" Basavich take several minutes per shot, getting up again and again. Once in a 9B tournament I saw him pause in the middle of his turn, walk over to the juke box and select several songs before continuing. He always drove his opponents crazy with slow play, but if they put him on a clock, it didn't seem to affect his abilities at all.

I was forced to conclude that his slowness was probably only to torture his opponents... and it worked.
  
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10-22-2019, 07:30 AM

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I've seen Danny "Kid Delicious" Basavich take several minutes per shot, getting up again and again. Once in a 9B tournament I saw him pause in the middle of his turn, walk over to the juke box and select several songs before continuing. He always drove his opponents crazy with slow play, but if they put him on a clock, it didn't seem to affect his abilities at all.

I was forced to conclude that his slowness was probably only to torture his opponents... and it worked.
Nice post. I've always been intrigued by players who are slow but can play well on the shot clock.

Basavich is a perfect example, but Ralf Souquet fits the mold perfectly, too. Ralf always thrived at the Mosconi Cup, in which a thirty second shot clock has traditionally been used.

A top player today has me watching closely, and that's Klenti Kaci, whom I'd rate a top twenty in the world player. He is one of the slowest pro players and I recall wondering a year ago whether the shot clock would affect him at the 2018 Mosconi Cup. Overall, Kaci had a pretty forgettable performance at the 2018 Mosconi, but he's on Team Europe again this year, and perhaps this is the year in which he becomes more comfortable on the thirty second clock. We shall see.
  
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10-22-2019, 08:24 AM

Dont forget Hatch in the fast category.
  
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10-22-2019, 08:29 AM

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Lou Butera was faster.

Luc Salvas was faster.

Im sure there are more that arent coming immediately to mind.
I watched Luc play charlie "hilllbilly" bryant at the BCA in vegas 2005 and he was breaking as soon as charlie had barely lifted the rack and running racks as if he was playing 'speed pool". Very entertaining to watch. Afterwards Charlie sat in the bleachers moaning and complaining. On the slow sider side I watched Ralf soquet at one of Jay's tournaments in L.A. and i almost fell asleep.
  
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10-22-2019, 08:51 AM

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I watched Luc play charlie "hilllbilly" bryant at the BCA in vegas 2005 and he was breaking as soon as charlie had barely lifted the rack and running racks as if he was playing 'speed pool". Very entertaining to watch. Afterwards Charlie sat in the bleachers moaning and complaining. On the slow sider side I watched Ralf soquet at one of Jay's tournaments in L.A. and i almost fell asleep.
when in form he was absolutely brilliant to watch, luc salvas. i'd say he was as fast as tony drago, but maybe less consistent. both could leave their opponents feelin they'd been hit by a freight train
  
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