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11-07-2019, 11:40 AM

Pocket facing angles have been modified for years by those reputable mechanics who know how to do it correctly, with 142 degrees +\- 1 degree considered as the traditionally accepted BCA standard spec, which seems to matter very little anymore.
  
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11-07-2019, 12:39 PM

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Pocket facing angles have been modified for years by those reputable mechanics who know how to do it correctly, with 142 degrees +\- 1 degree considered as the traditionally accepted BCA standard spec, which seems to matter very little anymore.
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11-07-2019, 12:42 PM

I have seen some with parallel sides, and others where the points are smaller than the throat of the pocket.

All depends on the mechanic I guess.

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11-07-2019, 12:51 PM

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After reading a lot of youtube comments about how "boring" it is watching the pros, has there been any consideration to changing the shape of pool table pockets?

The reason it's "boring" is not because of winner break or alternate break, or because of racking and who racks, but (I think) because it's too easy, after one or two safeties, for the pro to run a rack out. Virtually all of the pros at the top level run out a reasonable rack without missing. It makes that part of the viewing experience pretty repetitive and monotonous.

So snooker is a rounded pocket, pool has parallel sides. Shrinking pool pockets serves to narrowing pocketing on all angles and might make rail shots significantly harder. What about instead of parallel, make them slightly inward? That way we keep rail shots, we keep straight in shot width, but we stop players from cheating 2 diamonds into the pocket?



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11-07-2019, 02:44 PM

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I don't know much about pocket shapes, but I believe I personally would make more balls if I could play on a table with 8 inch pockets. Not sure but I think it would help me.
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11-07-2019, 04:35 PM

Make corner pockets 4.25” on 9’ tables and 4.5” for 7’ tables because of leagues.
Side pocket size accordingly reduced but championships like the US Open should
revert back to being played on 10’ tables like it used to be. The game is tremendously
harder as those of us with 10’ table experience will attest and the high runs are lower.
If you want to test players’ skills in championship play, it should be done on 10’ tables.


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11-07-2019, 04:43 PM

When are people going to understand that tighter pockets are what makes the game boring.


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11-07-2019, 05:48 PM

Quite the opposite......the harder the golf course, the better the audience viewing.
Case in point....British & US Opens. No tougher golf course conditions anywhere.

Seeing people run lots of balls does not represent the real pool playing community.
But seeing SVB or any other noteworthy name on a 10’ table with tight pockets, now
that is a match worth seeing. Lesser players dread playing on 10, tables or even 9’
tables with reduced pockets. Many pros don’t relish playing on them either. But there
is little dispute, ‘except perhaps for the unfamiliar, that superior players have the edge
on the aforementioned tables versus the majority of the pool playing community

iMO, the harder the table, the better my chances of prevailing in a match. There’s minimal
slopping a ball in a called pocket and run outs are harder. The challenge is a reward in
and of itself. Victory becomes all the more sweet when you are pushed and tested to win.

Everyone has a preference for the conditions of competition in any sport or endeavor
and I’ve always pushed myself to perform under challenging scenarios. I’ve done this
with pretty much everything from pool to shooting, skiing, archery and most things. IMO,
I’d rather run a rack of balls on a 10’ table than 2 racks on a 9’. It’s just darn tougher & more satisfying.

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11-07-2019, 06:22 PM

I like your idea of using 10 foot tables for major tournament play. However, logistics play a part, and the Diamond one piece slate 10 foot tables would be extremely hard for Diamond to sell after the tournament is over. The 3 or 4 piece slate 10 foot tables would require a lot more time/effort/expense to set up and keep level throughout the playing of a tournament as opposed to the one piece slate tables Diamond currently uses.
  
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11-07-2019, 07:30 PM

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Make corner pockets 4.25” on 9’ tables and 4.5” for 7’ tables because of leagues.
Side pocket size accordingly reduced but championships like the US Open should
revert back to being played on 10’ tables like it used to be. The game is tremendously
harder as those of us with 10’ table experience will attest and the high runs are lower.
If you want to test players’ skills in championship play, it should be done on 10’ tables.
I'm confused, which US Open 9b championship was played on 10' tables??
  
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11-07-2019, 08:11 PM

I assume he’s referring to 14.1 world titles, which used to be played on 10 footers pre WW2, before 9 foot tables replaced 10 foot tables for pro tournament play, around the time period I assume Brunswick and other table manufactures stopped production of 10 foot tables.

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11-07-2019, 08:21 PM

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I'm confused, which US Open 9b championship was played on 10' tables??
I may be confused, but I don't think any 9b championship was ever played on a 10-foot table.

For 14.1, according to Ursitti's records, they changed to 9-foot tables in 1950 for the US and World Championships. Or at least that's the first mention I could find of 9-foot tables.


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11-07-2019, 09:19 PM

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Quite the opposite......the harder the golf course, the better the audience viewing.

Case in point....British & US Opens. No tougher golf course conditions anywhere.



Seeing people run lots of balls does not represent the real pool playing community.

But seeing SVB or any other noteworthy name on a 10’ table with tight pockets, now

that is a match worth seeing. Lesser players dread playing on 10, tables or even 9’

tables with reduced pockets. Many pros don’t relish playing on them either. But there

is little dispute, ‘except perhaps for the unfamiliar, that superior players have the edge

on the aforementioned tables versus the majority of the pool playing community



iMO, the harder the table, the better my chances of prevailing in a match. There’s minimal

slopping a ball in a called pocket and run outs are harder. The challenge is a reward in

and of itself. Victory becomes all the more sweet when you are pushed and tested to win.



Everyone has a preference for the conditions of competition in any sport or endeavor

and I’ve always pushed myself to perform under challenging scenarios. I’ve done this

with pretty much everything from pool to shooting, skiing, archery and most things. IMO,

I’d rather run a rack of balls on a 10’ table than 2 racks on a 9’. It’s just darn tougher & more satisfying.



Matt B.



p.s. Before naysayers comments appear, “Yes”, I’ve run that many balls on both tables.


I think you are wrong. It slows the game down in POOL. Not in time at table. In the speed of balls. The stroke etc. it leaves a boring game. If it made a more exciting game then maybe you can explain why pool has declined in popularity and viewership since cloth and pocket and table changes.


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