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Antique Table Info & Help Please - 09-05-2019, 09:10 AM

I need some good price estimates for work on this table. Just to have an idea how much I might expect to pay for:

- Setup (not moving)
- Bumper and cloth replacement
- Any necessary "tweaking" to get play-ability within modern specs


How much money is "too much" to invest in this table?

Is this a good model? From a "performance" standpoint?

Any help is appreciated.
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09-05-2019, 10:35 AM

I can’t help with your questions, sir, but just wanted to congratulate you on such a beautiful table.

I hope it all works out well.


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09-05-2019, 10:42 AM

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I canít help with your questions, sir, but just wanted to congratulate you on such a beautiful table.

I hope it all works out well.
I agree....do whatever it takes...itís a gem.

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09-05-2019, 11:16 AM

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I agree....do whatever it takes...it’s a gem.
Thanks for the responses. Agree on its beauty!

Point taken on the quoted sentiment, however, I'm working within a budget and do not have unlimited funds. Actually, at this point I'm trying to determine if diving into this is even feasible for me from a cost standpoint...?

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09-05-2019, 12:14 PM

budget 1000 for cloth and new cushions. and etc, that may show up as a surprise.
might need new pockets for a few hundred or more.

and a couple thousand later on for a refinish by an average guy.

the table is totally worth it.

if you are moving it yourself just set it up and play on it first to see how you like it and what you want to fix.

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09-05-2019, 12:42 PM

It's a Brunswick Regina. Nice looking table, when properly restored. This particular table has seen some interesting repairs.

One thing to note: this table will never play like a modern table, as it has a T-rail design. In order to replace the cushions, you will need to have someone properly modify the rails, to accept a modern-day K55 cushion. This generally is not a cheap process. You'll probably also want to tighten up those bucket pockets while you are at it.. I'm thinking no less than $1200, to have a reputable person perform the work for you. That does not include tearing down and moving the table (if needed). It also does not include any restoration work.


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09-05-2019, 04:17 PM

If you can get the table at a reasonable price pick it up and work on it over time, I am not a table mechanic but it could be worth something that can be cherished once put together! I had one similar years ago and sorry I didnít find a way to keep it.


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09-05-2019, 05:16 PM

I'll agree with the set it up and enjoy it for a while approach.
  
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09-06-2019, 09:57 AM

The responses are much appreciated.

I, too, agree with setting-up and playing for awhile before refinishing /restoring. One that note, I can refinish wood with the best of them. I'm not talking shabby-chic paint job. I'm talking about wood repairs, custom stains, toners, and a vast array of finishes... But moving along...

Anyone care to ballpark a "good" purchase price for this table as-is, in the midwest?


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09-06-2019, 10:30 AM

That's a tuff one. You don't want to insult the seller and his (possible) heirloom.

I'd want to offer 5-700, with the promise it will be gone quickly and seller will never hear from you again about it.

Cloth, move and setup near 1k, unless you do it yourself...and you still got no new rubber.

Plus, it is a t-rail.

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The responses are much appreciated.

I, too, agree with setting-up and playing for awhile before refinishing /restoring. One that note, I can refinish wood with the best of them. I'm not talking shabby-chic paint job. I'm talking about wood repairs, custom stains, toners, and a vast array of finishes... But moving along...

Anyone care to ballpark a "good" purchase price for this table as-is, in the midwest?
  
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09-06-2019, 10:41 AM

I wish that the pictures of the rails were more clear... The aprons do not look like the originals.. The pockets need to be redone.. It will need the rails updated for new cushions.. It's an antique, so the slates could be beat up/cracked/broken/covered in plaster.. The ball box has some "custom" brackets, which kill the aesthetics.

Value is determined on an individual basis. If it were me, I would have a hard time paying $300 for it. With what you will have into restoring it, and what it will be worth when completed, I might suggest no more than $500. But, others may disagree.

If you just want something to play on, that could potentially look decent, pay whatever it is worth to you. If you want a table that plays well and could have resale value, find something different.


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09-06-2019, 12:33 PM

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It's a Brunswick Regina. Nice looking table, when properly restored. This particular table has seen some interesting repairs.

One thing to note: this table will never play like a modern table, as it has a T-rail design. In order to replace the cushions, you will need to have someone properly modify the rails, to accept a modern-day K55 cushion. This generally is not a cheap process. You'll probably also want to tighten up those bucket pockets while you are at it.. I'm thinking no less than $1200, to have a reputable person perform the work for you. That does not include tearing down and moving the table (if needed). It also does not include any restoration work.
They still make T-rail rubber....snooker and 3-tables....
...so maybe pool rubber also?

Plus the rubber might still be good....Iíve played on 60 year old Monarch rails.
....they need hitting to liven them up if theyíve been unused for some time.


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09-06-2019, 12:50 PM

Their asking price is $1500. It's already taken apart, with pictures mapping how it goes back together. The slate is on a pallet (3 pieces), and the base and table is one piece. They have machinery to load on a trailer.

"The pool table is 9’ long, the slate is 1” thick with a backer board also 1 “ thick. The slate is in very good condition."

Given this tables value in restored condition, I'm somewhat surprised by the pricing here. I was expecting a little more. But then, as usual, I'm sure I'm underestimating the work involved.


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09-06-2019, 01:07 PM

I'm looking at this table not only as a table I can use, but also as an investment.

I think the realistic value fully restored is $5000-$6000?

I'm very concerned about what's going on with the apron (board under the top rail around outer edge). As mentioned, it doesn't match or look original. It looks like the wrong species, and I believe the 3rd picture shows knots... Torn on whether to drive 1.5 hours each way, to find out it's some kind of hack job...


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09-06-2019, 01:34 PM

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I need some good price estimates for work on this table. Just to have an idea how much I might expect to pay for:

- Setup (not moving)
- Bumper and cloth replacement
- Any necessary "tweaking" to get play-ability within modern specs


How much money is "too much" to invest in this table?

Is this a good model? From a "performance" standpoint?

Any help is appreciated.
Looks like a Brunswick regina from the 1920's. If so I owned one for 15 years
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