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Obama, the Bidens, the Clintons, the IMF and Others Pillaged Ukraine - 09-24-2019, 07:30 AM

Obama, the Bidens, the Clintons, the IMF and Others Pillaged Ukraine Then Forced It's Citizens to Pay Excessive Natural Gas Prices at 50% Above Market

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In addition to being a Clinton Foundation donor, Pinchuk is also on the International Advisory Board of the Atlantic Counsel

The Atlantic Counsel has been historically active in Ukraine through their Ukraine in Europe Initiative. More recently, on January 19, 2017, the Atlantic Counsel announced a partnership with Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Group.

Hunter Biden, former VP Joe Biden’s son, sits on Burisma’s board.

As we reported previously:

Also serving on the International Advisory Board of the Atlantic Council is James Clapper, who served as Obama’s Director of National Intelligence. Funnily enough, Bongino discovered that the Chief Technology Officer of “the only company that investigated the hacking of the DNC’s servers and quickly determined it was the Russians, is a nonresident senior fellow in cybersecurity” at the Atlantic Council. His name is Dmitri Alperovitch (owner of CrowdStrike).”

So the Clintons, Obama, the Bidens, Mueller, the Podestas and the Atlantic Council all were involved in the Ukraine. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. The IMF also had shady dealings with the Ukraine related to these same Democrats.

According to Wikipedia –

On 28 July 2010, the IMF approved a 29-month $15.15 billion loan to Ukraine.[7] Among others this led to a 50 percent increase on household natural gas utility prices in July 2010 for Ukrainian consumers (a key demand of the IMF in exchange of the loan).[8][9]

By December 2013, the Ukrainian Prime Minister, Mykola Azarov, stated “the extremely harsh conditions” of a renewed IMF loan (presented by the IMF on 20 November 2013), which included big budget cuts and a 40% increase in natural gas bills, had been the last argument in favor of the Ukrainian government’s decision to suspend preparations for signing the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement on 21 November 2013.[11][12][13] The decision to put off signing this EU-Ukraine Association Agreement lead [sic] to massive protests in Ukraine.[14][nb 1]

Then on December 10, 2013, President Yanukovych stated “We will certainly resume the IMF negotiations. If there are conditions that suit us, we will take that path”.[22] However, Yanukovych also (once again) stated that the conditions put forward by the IMF were unacceptable “I had a conversation with U.S. Vice President Joseph Biden, who told me that the issue of the IMF loan has almost been solved, but I told him that if the conditions remained… we did not need such loans”.[22]

In February 2014 Yanukovych and Azarov were forcibly removed from power (as a result of the pro-EU-Ukraine Association Agreement coup) and replaced by the Yatsenyuk Government.[24]

In March 2014 the IMF required the Ukraine to reform natural gas price subsidies in order to provide it with an aid package worth about $15 billion.[25] One of the expected effects was a 50% price hike on natural gas sold to domestic Ukrainian consumers.[25]

The Markets Work reported that Hunter Biden was placed on Burisma’s board after Obama’s State Department employee Victoria Nuland and the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt held a phone conversation regarding installation of Arseniy Yatsenyuk in place of then-President Yanukovych. This call occurred on or before February 4, 2014.

On February 22, 2014, Yanukovych was removed as President of Ukraine and on February 27, 2014, Yatsenyuk was installed as Prime Minister of Ukraine. (Yatsenyuk would resign in April 2016 amidst corruption accusations.)

On April 18 2014, Hunter Biden was appointed to the Board of Directors for Burisma – one of the largest natural gas companies in Ukraine. Then on April 22, 2014, Obama’s Vice President Biden traveled to the Ukraine and offered support and $50 million in aid for Yatsenyuk’s shaky new government.

As a result of all this activity, the Bidens got a place on the Board of one of the largest natural gas companies in the Ukraine, the Clintons received millions from a Ukrainian Oligarch, the IMF got billions in loans with the Ukraine, and the people of the Ukraine were burdened with excessive natural gas prices.
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09-24-2019, 07:50 AM

Sounds like the Ukrainians get a little taste of the " Chicago Way ".

But, hey no worries, the cartel will be along soon to tell me this is how business works and we just don't understand the finer details in diplomatic diplomacy


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09-24-2019, 12:02 PM

But, but, Trump's phone call is worse.


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09-24-2019, 12:24 PM

"...the IMF got billions in loans with the Ukraine...," as if that was some benefit to the IMF? No, it was a benefit to Ukraine, which badly needed the money, and couldn't use regular loan facilities (say, issuing sovereign bonds) because it was a semi-bankrupt country and a bad credit risk likely to default. It owed a lot of money to Russia for oil it needed but had not been able to pay for.

Then there's the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy (did you see it?).

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The Markets Work reported that Hunter Biden was placed on Burisma’s board after Obama’s State Department employee Victoria Nuland and the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt held a phone conversation regarding installation of Arseniy Yatsenyuk in place of then-President Yanukovych. This call occurred on or before February 4, 2014.
Other than two apparently unrelated matters occurred in some time sequence, what is the supposed causal connection between these two matters? Weird, they must have forgotten to explain the connection, but put them together to insinuate a connection anyway?

"... millions of dollars to the Clintons..."

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In 2008, Mr. Pinchuk made a five-year, $29 million commitment to the Clinton Global Initiative, a wing of the foundation that coordinates charitable projects and funding for them but doesn’t handle the money. The pledge was to fund a program to train future Ukrainian leaders and professionals “to modernize Ukraine,” according to the Clinton Foundation. Several alumni are current members of the Ukrainian Parliament. Actual donations so far amount to only $1.8 million, a Pinchuk foundation spokesman said, citing the impact of the 2008 financial crisis. [WSJ, 2015]
So, years before the events being discussed?

Quite a farrago of bullshite here. Is any of it not misrepresented? Probably the IMF stuff is correct. They routinely demand austerity measures, such as a reduction of government subsidies to the population, as a condition of making loans.


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09-24-2019, 12:39 PM

God, I hope the d'rats try to impeach trump!
Can you imagine being able to watch a bunch of anti-American morons like AOC, Maxine Waters, Nadler, that mouth-full-of marbles idiot Cummins, et al. giving speeches about the "rule of law"?!
It'll be as hysterical as ironic. Plus, it'll insure that whichever communist the d'rats nominate for 2020 gets crushed.
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09-24-2019, 12:40 PM

Bite'me pounds the Donald like a drum,
no applause, no questions to which there are legit answers,
runs and hides just like the former FBI rapist Robert Muller did
with his smoke scream.
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09-24-2019, 07:07 PM

When does it go to the Senate?


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When does it go to the Senate?
After Pelosi manages to talk enough d'rats into committing electoral suicide.
Be patient. VERY patient.


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09-24-2019, 07:30 PM

The common theme among that gang is they are are well connected criminals. But, they're not doing well, as they get found out...
  
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09-25-2019, 08:29 AM

A few Dims will lose reelection over this?


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