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Correcting "wrong eye dominance" possible? - 10-25-2019, 09:36 AM

So.. I am left eye dominant, and I play right-handed. I am pretty sure this is severely effecting my game, as I often struggle to know whether I am "on line" when shots get out past about 6 feet, and even if I make these balls, I often hit them slightly too thick or thin.

I never really payed much attention to this aspect of my game, but thinking back, it might be the main reason for inconsistent results.. When I am playing a lot, I naturally correct in whatever way, whether it be tilting my head, or simply I start subconsciously using my right eye, (or both eyes) as both eyes corrected with contacts, I'd say both eyes are of about equal strength.

I did a quick search, and people have mentioned that cross dominance can possibly be corrected by wearing a patch to force use of the nondominant eye at all times. Some people automatically revert to the dominant eye as soon as the patch is removed. Also, wearing an occluded contact in the currently dominant eye has been mentioned.

I'd really like to correct this issue, and I am simply not coordinated enough to switch hands. All this came about because a relative neophyte pool player friend of mine here in Germany mentioned going to an optometrist who happened to be a pool player, who gave him a new contact lense prescription that somehow corrected his cross dominance.

I do realize everyone is different anatomically, and he might have just gotten lucky, but, considering that both my eyes are equally strong, it seems I might have other options.

Any opinions/experiences?

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10-25-2019, 09:56 AM

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So.. I am left eye dominant, and I play right-handed. I am pretty sure this is severely effecting my game, as I often struggle to know whether I am "on line" when shots get out past about 6 feet, and even if I make these balls, I often hit them slightly too thick or thin.

I never really payed much attention to this aspect of my game, but thinking back, it might be the main reason for inconsistent results.. When I am playing a lot, I naturally correct in whatever way, whether it be tilting my head, or simply I start subconsciously using my right eye, (or both eyes) as both eyes corrected with contacts, I'd say both eyes are of about equal strength.

I did a quick search, and people have mentioned that cross dominance can possibly be corrected by wearing a patch to force use of the nondominant eye at all times. Some people automatically revert to the dominant eye as soon as the patch is removed.

I'd really like to correct this issue, and I am simply not coordinated enough to switch hands. All this came about because a relative neophyte pool player friend of mine here in Germany mentioned going to an optometrist who happened to be a pool player, who gave him a new contact lense prescription that somehow corrected his cross dominance.

I do realize everyone is different anatomically, and he might have just gotten lucky, but, considering that both my eyes are equally strong, it seems I might have other options.

Any opinions/experiences?
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10-25-2019, 10:00 AM

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So.. I am left eye dominant, and I play right-handed. I am pretty sure this is severely effecting my game, as I often struggle to know whether I am "on line" when shots get out past about 6 feet, and even if I make these balls, I often hit them slightly too thick or thin.

I never really payed much attention to this aspect of my game, but thinking back, it might be the main reason for inconsistent results.. When I am playing a lot, I naturally correct in whatever way, whether it be tilting my head, or simply I start subconsciously using my right eye, (or both eyes) as both eyes corrected with contacts, I'd say both eyes are of about equal strength.

I did a quick search, and people have mentioned that cross dominance can possibly be corrected by wearing a patch to force use of the nondominant eye at all times. Some people automatically revert to the dominant eye as soon as the patch is removed.

I'd really like to correct this issue, and I am simply not coordinated enough to switch hands. All this came about because a relative neophyte pool player friend of mine here in Germany mentioned going to an optometrist who happened to be a pool player, who gave him a new contact lense prescription that somehow corrected his cross dominance.

I do realize everyone is different anatomically, and he might have just gotten lucky, but, considering that both my eyes are equally strong, it seems I might have other options.

Any opinions/experiences?
I donít know why you think this needs correcting.
Willie Mosconi was right handed and left eyed...
So was Joe Davis and George Chenier.
Iím right eyed and right handed....I would prefer your set up...it looks comfortable to me.


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10-25-2019, 10:03 AM

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So.. I am left eye dominant, and I play right-handed. I am pretty sure this is severely effecting my game, as I often struggle to know whether I am "on line" when shots get out past about 6 feet, and even if I make these balls, I often hit them slightly too thick or thin.

I never really payed much attention to this aspect of my game, but thinking back, it might be the main reason for inconsistent results.. When I am playing a lot, I naturally correct in whatever way, whether it be tilting my head, or simply I start subconsciously using my right eye, (or both eyes) as both eyes corrected with contacts, I'd say both eyes are of about equal strength.

I did a quick search, and people have mentioned that cross dominance can possibly be corrected by wearing a patch to force use of the nondominant eye at all times. Some people automatically revert to the dominant eye as soon as the patch is removed.

I'd really like to correct this issue, and I am simply not coordinated enough to switch hands. All this came about because a relative neophyte pool player friend of mine here in Germany mentioned going to an optometrist who happened to be a pool player, who gave him a new contact lense prescription that somehow corrected his cross dominance.

I do realize everyone is different anatomically, and he might have just gotten lucky, but, considering that both my eyes are equally strong, it seems I might have other options.

Any opinions/experiences?
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10-25-2019, 10:14 AM

I am also right-handed and left-eye dominant. I simply corrected my form, to ensure that my left eye is over the cue. I only notice ill effects, when I do not play for several weeks, and get careless with my form.


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I would like to help. My rate is the same as Sigel's though.
I had a lesson with Sigel last year. Yours would probably be about as useful as his. 😀

And for the other users advising me to "just deal with it", and "it doesn't sound like an issue to me"....

Well, if it weren't an issue, and I could just "decide to see better", then I wouldn't have posted in the first place. My muscle memory is not the best in the first place, so I have to practice a LOT to achieve consistency in the first place. And that is exacerbated by having cross dominance.

Does anyone have specific experience with:

1. Wearing an eye patch to force dominance over to the other eye

2. Wearing an occluded contact lense to force dominance over to the other eye

3. Specifically in the case of equal strength eyes, forcing oneself to aim out of the "correct" eye.

Changing one's head position to compensate for cross dominance can, and has been known to, cause discomfort and/or pain in the long term.

For the record, I have often found myself watching tv, or doing some other activity, and noticed I was naturally using my right eye.... So, was looking for feedback from someone who has had a similar issue, and found a way to address it in someway by forcing the "correct" eye to do it's job.
  
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I had a lesson with Sigel last year. Yours would probably be about as useful as his. 😀

And for the other users advising me to "just deal with it", and "it doesn't sound like an issue to me"....

Well, if it weren't an issue, and I could just "decide to see better", then I wouldn't have posted in the first place. My muscle memory is not the best in the first place, so I have to practice a LOT to achieve consistency in the first place. And that is exacerbated by having cross dominance.

Does anyone have specific experience with:

1. Wearing an eye patch to force dominance over to the other eye

2. Wearing an occluded contact lense to force dominance over to the other eye

3. Specifically in the case of equal strength eyes, forcing oneself to aim out of the "correct" eye.

Changing one's head position to compensate for cross dominance can, and has been known to, cause discomfort and/or pain in the long term.

For the record, I have often found myself watching tv, or doing some other activity, and noticed I was naturally using my right eye.... So, was looking for feedback from someone who has had a similar issue, and found a way to address it in someway by forcing the "correct" eye to do it's job.
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10-25-2019, 10:22 AM

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So.. I am left eye dominant, and I play right-handed. I am pretty sure this is severely effecting my game, as I often struggle to know whether I am "on line" when shots get out past about 6 feet, and even if I make these balls, I often hit them slightly too thick or thin.

I never really payed much attention to this aspect of my game, but thinking back, it might be the main reason for inconsistent results.. When I am playing a lot, I naturally correct in whatever way, whether it be tilting my head, or simply I start subconsciously using my right eye, (or both eyes) as both eyes corrected with contacts, I'd say both eyes are of about equal strength.

I did a quick search, and people have mentioned that cross dominance can possibly be corrected by wearing a patch to force use of the nondominant eye at all times. Some people automatically revert to the dominant eye as soon as the patch is removed.

I'd really like to correct this issue, and I am simply not coordinated enough to switch hands. All this came about because a relative neophyte pool player friend of mine here in Germany mentioned going to an optometrist who happened to be a pool player, who gave him a new contact lense prescription that somehow corrected his cross dominance.

I do realize everyone is different anatomically, and he might have just gotten lucky, but, considering that both my eyes are equally strong, it seems I might have other options.

Any opinions/experiences?

Not a problem. Many players do this. I had a lesson from Rodney Morris on this same subject. It is just simple adjustment in your stance. My right handed stance for example, if I shoot using my right eye in the dominant position, the line of my stick is over the bottom of the shoelaces on my right foot. If I shoot under the left eye then the stick is over the top of the shoelaces on my right foot. The span from the top to the bottom of the shoelaces is about the distance between your eyes.

So, a right handed left eye dominant player will align the stick closer in to the body than a right handed right eye dominant player. Even the professionals do this.

I believed for years that the stick goes in the center of the visual field. The problem with this method is the eyes do not age the same and the strength of one eye will change relative to the other as you age. I started out with a stronger right eye which has gotten weaker than the left over the years. The center of my visual field had moved to the left and as a result I believed I had become left eye dominant. Rodney showed me a simple eye dominance test that showed me that I was very much right eye dominant even though the right eye is a weaker eye in terms of clarity. I altered my stance accordingly and my consistency improved.


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What if you went thru all this and played even worse? I'd be pissed.
That's always a risk. But I have periodic issues with my neck and upper back muscles, so I'm just not interested in changing my head position in any sort of unnatural way, and causing pain.

With relatively equal-strength eyes, there should be a way to fix this by training myself to use the correct eye...
  
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Not a problem. Many players do this. I had a lesson from Rodney Morris on this same subject. It is just simple adjustment in your stance. My right handed stance for example, if I shoot using my right eye in the dominant position, the line of my stick is over the bottom of the shoelaces on my right foot. If I shoot under the left eye then the stick is over the top of the shoelaces on my right foot. The span from the top to the bottom of the shoelaces is about the distance between your eyes.

So, a right handed left eye dominant player will align the stick closer in to the body than a right handed right eye dominant player. Even the professionals do this.

I believed for years that the stick goes in the center of the visual field. The problem with this method is the eyes do not age the same and the strength of one eye will change relative to the other as you age. I started out with a stronger right eye which has gotten weaker than the left over the years. The center of my visual field had moved to the left and as a result I believed I had become left eye dominant. Rodney showed me a simple eye dominance test that showed me that I was very much right eye dominant even though the right eye is a weaker eye in terms of clarity. I altered my stance accordingly and my consistency improved.
I might try this.. Does this require any tilting of the head?
  
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For the record, I have often found myself watching tv, or doing some other activity, and noticed I was naturally using my right eye.... So, was looking for feedback from someone who has had a similar issue, and found a way to address it in someway by forcing the "correct" eye to do it's job.
The correct eye is the one you naturally use regardless of which one is stronger.

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I often struggle to know whether I am "on line" when shots get out past about 6 feet, and even if I make these balls, I often hit them slightly too thick or thin.
Take you alignment from the position of the ghost ball not the actual object ball position. Even if you don't use the ghost ball to aim, always use the ghost ball the align the shot because no matter what aiming system you use the stick is always going to move through the ghost ball line. That inch or so alignment error at 6 feet is enough to make you stroke across the line instead of down the line.


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I had a lesson with Sigel last year. Yours would probably be about as useful as his. 😀

And for the other users advising me to "just deal with it", and "it doesn't sound like an issue to me"....

Well, if it weren't an issue, and I could just "decide to see better", then I wouldn't have posted in the first place. My muscle memory is not the best in the first place, so I have to practice a LOT to achieve consistency in the first place. And that is exacerbated by having cross dominance.

Does anyone have specific experience with:

1. Wearing an eye patch to force dominance over to the other eye

2. Wearing an occluded contact lense to force dominance over to the other eye

3. Specifically in the case of equal strength eyes, forcing oneself to aim out of the "correct" eye.

Changing one's head position to compensate for cross dominance can, and has been known to, cause discomfort and/or pain in the long term.

For the record, I have often found myself watching tv, or doing some other activity, and noticed I was naturally using my right eye.... So, was looking for feedback from someone who has had a similar issue, and found a way to address it in someway by forcing the "correct" eye to do it's job.
Seriously though, I would check out a book I came across that deals with this subject in depth. I've mentioned it before, Its called "An answer to a pool player's prayers." By Richard Kranicki, goes over feet alignment as it relates to eye dominance as well.
  
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Seriously though, I would check out a book I came across that deals with this subject in depth. I've mentioned it before, Its called "An answer to a pool player's prayers." By Richard Kranicki, goes over feet alignment as it relates to eye dominance as well.
Nice. This is helpful. I will check it out.
  
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