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08-24-2019, 12:49 PM

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That's correct. Customarily, if you move the ball you are jacked up over, or the ball over which you are jumping over or masse-ing around, it's a foul whether you are playing cue ball fouls only or all ball fouls.
That is correct but it has nothing to do with this foul because Johnny was not jacked up over a ball or jumping or masse-ing, his shirt sleeve came close to or touched a ball way behind the cueball.
It may have been a legitimate foul but the match would have to have a referee or video evidence or Johnny would have had to agree it was a foul.
Johnny obviously didn't agree but went ahead and allowed the foul call by Shane. Dumb on Johnny's part. He should have said no foul because it was a real ticky-tack call on Shane's part.
  
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08-24-2019, 02:27 PM

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And they used to be such good friends. Oh well, that's Pool!

I just watched the video above. That was a chicken sh-t call by Shane! He must be having a bad year.
I'm coming on here to apologize to Shane for my comments above. He called me to explain exactly what rules they are playing under. It's All Ball fouls and if you touch any ball in the commission of shot that is a foul. If Johnny had stopped before shooting that would have been different, but he didn't. Shane distinctly saw his shirt on the ball and the ball moved slightly. And I do know his vision is better than 20-20 so I believe him. In the absence of a referee it is left up to the players to make the call.

I asked Shane what Johnny's reaction was, and he was upset that Shane called him for a "small" foul like that and quit the match. Number one Johnny shouldn't have quit, as others have said on here. The match was certainly not over at 6-4. Number two, as Shane pointed out to me, He should not be wearing a long sleeve shirt with these rules in place. Number three, when playing with these rules there should be a referee present.

All and all an unfortunate situation for both players but after talking with Shane I totally believe him that a foul did take place and he saw it. He was in the perfect position to make the call and Shane is not one to lie about anything. My bad on this one!


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08-24-2019, 02:37 PM

Johnny can't say if he hit it or not. So unless he sees that the 7 is moved, he should just stand his ground and keep the table. Pointless to concede the match, just beat the man.

If this was me gambling, I'm paying off that set and looking for better action.

Your calling it chickenshit had nothing to do with wheter Shane saw it or not.
  
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08-24-2019, 03:01 PM

To the viewer; it appears that his shirt touched the ball, but the ball didn't move. I wouldn't have called it a foul, if the ball didn't move. I guess they agreed to certain rules in advance. It's between them.


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08-24-2019, 03:08 PM

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I'm coming on here to apologize to Shane for my comments above. He called me to explain exactly what rules they are playing under. It's All Ball fouls and if you touch any ball in the commission of shot that is a foul. If Johnny had stopped before shooting that would have been different, but he didn't. Shane distinctly saw his shirt on the ball and the ball moved slightly. And I do know his vision is better than 20-20 so I believe him. In the absence of a referee it is left up to the players to make the call.

I asked Shane what Johnny's reaction was, and he was upset that Shane called him for a "small" foul like that and quit the match. Number one Johnny shouldn't have quit, as others have said on here. The match was certainly not over at 6-4. Number two, as Shane pointed out to me, He should not be wearing a long sleeve shirt with these rules in place. Number three, when playing with these rules there should be a referee present.

All and all an unfortunate situation for both players but after talking with Shane I totally believe him that a foul did take place and he saw it. He was in the perfect position to make the call and Shane is not one to lie about anything. My bad on this one!
Thanks Jay for the insight.

Without a ref it is Shanes job to catch it.
I will apologize also. Man says its a foul within
the rules, he was well within his rights, if not obligated
to call the foul.

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Shane had the best seat in the house. - 08-24-2019, 03:15 PM

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I'm coming on here to apologize to Shane for my comments above. He called me to explain exactly what rules they are playing under. It's All Ball fouls and if you touch any ball in the commission of shot that is a foul. If Johnny had stopped before shooting that would have been different, but he didn't. Shane distinctly saw his shirt on the ball and the ball moved slightly. And I do know his vision is better than 20-20 so I believe him. In the absence of a referee it is left up to the players to make the call.

I asked Shane what Johnny's reaction was, and he was upset that Shane called him for a "small" foul like that and quit the match. Number one Johnny shouldn't have quit, as others have said on here. The match was certainly not over at 6-4. Number two, as Shane pointed out to me, He should not be wearing a long sleeve shirt with these rules in place. Number three, when playing with these rules there should be a referee present.

All and all an unfortunate situation for both players but after talking with Shane I totally believe him that a foul did take place and he saw it. He was in the perfect position to make the call and Shane is not one to lie about anything. My bad on this one!


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Shane had the best seat in the house, a better view for this foul than even the camera so I'd say it would be hard to argue with him. His sayso is good enough for me!

Johnny didn't quit until Shane shot the five and got perfect on the six. A very easy out from there and the race was to nine. I would bet Shane against anyone in the world with Shane breaking and having to get to two before the other player got to five!

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08-24-2019, 03:23 PM

Let me repeat again to all the people who are saying they wouldnít have called the foul. None of you play for a living. As far as I know all of you play for the love and thrill of the game then go back to your normal job. Itís a completely different perspective if you were playing to pay your bills. These guys arenít in a sport like the nfl where you get your game check win or lose. They are literally playing for their lives


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08-24-2019, 03:48 PM

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Let me repeat again to all the people who are saying they wouldnít have called the foul. None of you play for a living. As far as I know all of you play for the love and thrill of the game then go back to your normal job. Itís a completely different perspective if you were playing to pay your bills. These guys arenít in a sport like the nfl where you get your game check win or lose. They are literally playing for their lives
And I'll say again, I still wouldn't call it, but that doesn't make Shane or anyone that would a bad person.
  
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08-24-2019, 03:55 PM

First thought is usually the right one.

It was a chicken s*it call, you know it, and everyone else knows it.
There are rules, and there are "rules"

As others have said, I've noticed more of this type behavior in the past few years from Shane and I wonder if it is just that he doesn't enjoy pool as much, or something between him and that opponent.

Granted most of the time Shane is very kind, and a gentleman, but there was no need for that.

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I'm coming on here to apologize to Shane for my comments above. He called me to explain exactly what rules they are playing under. It's All Ball fouls and if you touch any ball in the commission of shot that is a foul. If Johnny had stopped before shooting that would have been different, but he didn't. Shane distinctly saw his shirt on the ball and the ball moved slightly. And I do know his vision is better than 20-20 so I believe him. In the absence of a referee it is left up to the players to make the call.

I asked Shane what Johnny's reaction was, and he was upset that Shane called him for a "small" foul like that and quit the match. Number one Johnny shouldn't have quit, as others have said on here. The match was certainly not over at 6-4. Number two, as Shane pointed out to me, He should not be wearing a long sleeve shirt with these rules in place. Number three, when playing with these rules there should be a referee present.

All and all an unfortunate situation for both players but after talking with Shane I totally believe him that a foul did take place and he saw it. He was in the perfect position to make the call and Shane is not one to lie about anything. My bad on this one!
  
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08-24-2019, 04:00 PM

I played in tournaments at the 8 Ball Saloon in Ann Arbor, Michigan around 20 years ago and it was all ball fouls and it was the way all the regulars called it, so if you didn't call such fouls you were putting yourself at a disadvantage. I did call such fouls on the rare occasion it happened once I realized that it was the common standard at their tournaments.

I generally prefer cue ball fouls only, but the rules are the rules. If it was as minor as the Archer incident, I don't know if I'd call it. These are split second decisions really. I doubt Shane was plotting to shark Archer. He probably just saw the foul and immediately called it without deep thought.
  
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08-24-2019, 05:01 PM

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That is correct but it has nothing to do with this foul because Johnny was not jacked up over a ball or jumping or masse-ing, his shirt sleeve came close to or touched a ball way behind the cueball.
It may have been a legitimate foul but the match would have to have a referee or video evidence or Johnny would have had to agree it was a foul.
Johnny obviously didn't agree but went ahead and allowed the foul call by Shane. Dumb on Johnny's part. He should have said no foul because it was a real ticky-tack call on Shane's part.
Agreed, I was just reacting to a rule mentioned by another poster.
  
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08-24-2019, 05:17 PM

He ******* fouled get over it ! You I wouldnt call it nits wouldnt call it because you cant from the rail.Who can beat who experts, Ionce heard a guy ask this tush hog if he could whip this other tush hog ( both tougher than tree bark).The guy says well go fight him then come and fight me .But fight him first or you will .never know. The rule was its a foul when in the act of shooting.Putt them all in there aint no gimmies.
  
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I thought it was against Biado but I could be wrong and yes it was straight in it was for the win for Shane I believe,


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Shane had the best seat in the house, a better view for this foul than even the camera so I'd say it would be hard to argue with him. His sayso is good enough for me!

Johnny didn't quit until Shane shot the five and got perfect on the six. A very easy out from there and the race was to nine. I would bet Shane against anyone in the world with Shane breaking and having to get to two before the other player got to five!

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08-24-2019, 08:54 PM

It’s seen all the time. All ball fouls or cue ball in motion foul. Shirt touches ref calls FOUL.
No ref at the table players need to call it. Shane waited until cue ball was struck shirt resting on ball FOUL. If for some reason Archer thought Shane was pulling BS. He could have objected. Seemed like a gentleman conversation over the call. Which I feel speaks well of the players.
  
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