APA e-mails are up, is the APA in trouble?

SBC · Nov 6, 2019

couldnthinkof01 said:
Lol that video is hilarious.
Not only did he miss ball in hand, he hit it WAY to hard.
That shot was hit thick so had he hit it good the cueball
would have travelled even farther

He wasnt looking at shape on the next shots, tempo
was too quick, terrible speed and cueball control,
poor psr, etc.....

That being said I have made all those mistakes a million
times even though I know better and practice all
of those things.

The video is old. They looked like they were just
fkin' around. Scott has many people who have said
he helped them a great deal. Anyone posting that
video is just being a bit of dik or having a laugh.
I wouldn't take it to seriously.

You must be a lawyer or journalist by trade.

The majority of the shots were bonkers. Last rack he had 5 balls open with ball in hand... horrendous.

couldnthinkof01 · Nov 6, 2019

SBC said:
You must be a lawyer or journalist by trade.

The majority of the shots were bonkers. Last rack he had 5 balls open with ball in hand... horrendous.

Neither.

It was horrible, I agree.
I have no idea what he was doing there.

But considering the fact that he does know his $h!t
and has been studying and teaching the game for
like 3 decades, it wouldn't dissuade me from getting
a private lesson from the guy.

Scott Lee · Nov 6, 2019

Wow is right! That tired old video, seen on here 1000x. Funny how that's never affected my ability to give high quality lessons, even to champion and pro players. Funny how there's nobody out there who felt they got 'ripped off' taking a lesson (which would have resulted in an immediate refund). You're the one with the chip on your shoulder, just because you get butt-hurt every time somebody talks about APA. Oh...and for the record I did win the game!

Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour

SBC said:
Video of Scott Lee missing a ball in hand shot from 2 feet away, testing the rails with a variety of misses, scratching and playing jam up shape.

If you can't do....teach.
Just wow dude.

Celophanewrap · Nov 6, 2019

SBC said:
Don't think you watched the entire video.
This guy is a butcher or was drunk.

Funny he's a world class instructor getting 2k a head for lessons.

You guys are right. It's not all about money. People can blow their money any way they like. And gosh darn it the money supports pool so why not?

You should thank your lucky stars every day that no one is demanding or forcing you
to play pool in the APA. It's not for everybody, in spite of your expertise it's probably not
for you

buckshotshoey · Nov 6, 2019

BryanB said:
Unlike APA, many league pay back very well. The last 2 leagues I played on, first paid 2.5 times what was paid in and the other was almost 2x. So instead of the league operator making 3 more payments on their new BMW, the players actually got something in return besides a plastic participation trophy and a t-shirt.
And this is 1st place on each night not lumping teams from every night together, making them play all weekend to award 2-3 places with a prize. Most other league pay out every team some cash back.

There we again first thing on your mind is money. What is it with you and money?
What kinks my colon is so many people think leagues are beneath them somehow.

Anybody remember the name Ted Elias? One of the best Straight pool players in the country, and eight ball leagues were not beneath him. My brother watched him play one night, and he run the entire rack from the head end of the table. When my brother asked him about it, he said his leg was hurting too much to walk around the table that night.

Ted was a stand-up guy all the way around. He always had fun when he played during League. And he always tried to give the lower skilled players a chance. Unless you are an arrogant jerk, to which he would proceed to play where you didn't get a shot. Everybody here in town loved to play pool with him. And he loved to play pool with them. He just loved the game. Ask Jay Heffert about Ted. He'll tell ya.

That mostly played on 9-foot tables. But he would go to league night, and play on dirty 7 foot bar tables because he enjoyed the game and the people. But when it comes right down to it I don't think you or SBC will ever be on Ted's level... As a person, OR a pool player.

Maniac · Nov 6, 2019

CGM said:
I'm assuming that you are a really good player so eliminating leagues would not affect you. However, what about lower tier players that are just being introduced to competitive pool? A banger is not going to enter more than one tourney without being completely overwhelmed by the talent gap between them and the lowest level regular tourney player. Leagues/APA does a fantastic job of introducing beginners to "real" pool.

Lots of sports, including Major League Baseball, the NBA, professional hockey just to name a few, have minor league teams for players not yet ready for the Big Show.

Why not in pool?

I consider the APA the minor league of professional pool, and what's wrong with that?

People that fret over who is making what kind of money are usually ****heads that nobody wants to be around anyway.

Maniac

SBC · Nov 6, 2019

Scott Lee said:
Wow is right! That tired old video, seen on here 1000x. Funny how that's never affected my ability to give high quality lessons, even to champion and pro players. Funny how there's nobody out there who felt they got 'ripped off' taking a lesson (which would have resulted in an immediate refund). You're the one with the chip on your shoulder, just because you get butt-hurt every time somebody talks about APA. Oh...and for the record I did win the game!

Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour

Whatever you say champion.

Somebody sent me your video. Kinda assumed it was the case though.

Best of luck getting 2k a head. Might want to learn basic position routes before you take your show on the road.

CGM · Nov 6, 2019

Maniac said:
Lots of sports, including Major League Baseball, the NBA, professional hockey just to name a few, have minor league teams for players not yet ready for the Big Show.

Why not in pool?

I consider the APA the minor league of professional pool, and what's wrong with that?

People that fret over who is making what kind of money are usually ****heads that nobody wants to be around anyway.

Maniac

I couldn't agree with you more.

CGM · Nov 6, 2019

SBC said:
Don't think you watched the entire video.
This guy is a butcher or was drunk.

Funny he's a world class instructor getting 2k a head for lessons.

You guys are right. It's not all about money. People can blow their money any way they like. And gosh darn it the money supports pool so why not?

I've taken a lesson from Scott and it was nowhere near 2k. It was money well spent in my book but to each their own. He knows how to teach I can attest to that first hand.

couldnthinkof01 · Nov 6, 2019

SBC said:
Whatever you say champion.

Somebody sent me your video. Kinda assumed it was the case though.

Best of luck getting 2k a head. Might want to learn basic position routes before you take your show on the road.

Are you saying the 7 to the 8 and the 8 to the 9
is not how you would play it?

Ghosst · Nov 6, 2019

buckshotshoey said:
What kinks my colon is so many people think leagues are beneath them somehow.

SVB started out playing in VNEA, but he just gets lucky now and then...

KRJ · Nov 6, 2019

SBC said:
Nascar switches to go carts so Joe six pack can get in. They make portable tracks that fit in casinos and get kickbacks for bringing in the fish. The National Cart Association gains huge numbers of participants. All the famous Nascar tracks go bust. Thousands of dudes with souped up lawn mowers point to their 5 inch trophies and patch collections...saying "I'm a professional race car driver".

So, what you're saying is that softball players should quit because they are not professionals, and use a bigger ball and smaller fields? Brilliant.

Why does everyone conflate amateur and pro's when trying to make a point about pool. They are not hand in hand. MLB does not care about softball, nor should they, but it certainly does not bother them at all that folks fork over $800 or more per season to play a dozen games with their buddies. With no prize money. And no shot at a contract.

Yet, I've never seen anyone, ever, cry about playing softball because they don't pay back enough. Our softball team won the IL State and National championship. We got paid nada. Trophies, sweatshirts, and some free entry fee to the World tournament where we got our asses handed to us

lol

SBC · Nov 6, 2019

couldnthinkof01 said:
Are you saying the 7 to the 8 and the 8 to the 9
is not how you would play it?

5 to 6 he was fine, got straight in on 6
6 he didn't get straight on 7 where he could just stopped the cue ball.

From where he was in the 7 he just had to slow roll and keep the proper angle on the 8 to bounce out one rail for 9. Instead he drew back to the wrong side of the 8 and then had to play 2 rail shape going accross the shot line for the 9. Almost scratching in side. Had a much harder shot in the 9 than is acceptable.

After watching that video I figured he wouldn't screw up 5 balls from ball in hand. He proved me wrong.

couldnthinkof01 · Nov 6, 2019

SBC said:
5 to 6 he was fine, got straight in on 6
6 he didn't get straight on 7 where he could just stopped the cue ball.

From where he was in the 7 he just had to slow roll and keep the proper angle on the 8 to bounce out one rail for 9. Instead he drew back to the wrong side of the 8 and then had to play 2 rail shape going accross the shot line for the 9. Almost scratching in side. Had a much harder shot in the 9 than is acceptable.

After watching that video I figured he wouldn't screw up 5 balls from ball in hand. He proved me wrong.

My thoughts exactly.
Thats why my winky face.
My humor usually comes across very poorly on here.

Playing off the point for the 9 may have been
a stroke of genius.
I must admit I would not have thought of that.

jrctherake · Nov 6, 2019

hang-the-9 said:
Are no more leagues really that bad? Replace them with local events and tournaments. I'd take a local / national pool tour over leagues.

^^^^^^^^^ x 99%.

I HATE leagues. They suck for the serious players.

But:

I think leagues are good for "room health" and without leagues, well, they would struggle. So, in the end we need leagues.

It's a catch-22. Most strong players don't like em but, we need them or we would be paying HUGE amounts for table time or....rooms would go away.

I say, just avoid leagues. The average player will still support them and we all win.

I would like to see more locally ran event but, that don't work in most areas.

:shrug:

Jeff

KRJ · Nov 6, 2019

SBC said:
Don't think you watched the entire video.
This guy is a butcher or was drunk.

Funny he's a world class instructor getting 2k a head for lessons.

You guys are right. It's not all about money. People can blow their money any way they like. And gosh darn it the money supports pool so why not?

Says the nobody that won nothing. Gosh, tell us more Mr. Expert pool player. when did you join the tour? what exactly have you ever done to promote or help the game of pool. I'll wait, take your time. LOL

Snooker Theory · Nov 6, 2019

ChicagoRJ said:
Says the nobody that won nothing. Gosh, tell us more Mr. Expert pool player. when did you join the tour? what exactly have you ever done to promote or help the game of pool. I'll wait, take your time. LOL

"The nobody that won nothing" that could refer to quite a few coaches too wouldn't you agree?

I wonder how many coaches joined the tour, is taking someone's money for a lesson promoting the game?

My local golf course offers free lessons to kids in HS and middle schoolers, I have seen some professional pool coaches do the same, that is promoting the game IMO, taking someones money(who plays better than the coach), not so much in my opinion.

KRJ · Nov 6, 2019

Snooker Theory said:
"The nobody that won nothing" that could refer to quite a few coaches too wouldn't you agree?

I wonder how many coaches joined the tour, is taking someone's money for a lesson promoting the game?

My local golf course offers free lessons to kids in HS and middle schoolers, I have seen some professional pool coaches do the same, that is promoting the game IMO, taking someones money(who plays better than the coach), not so much in my opinion.

No, I would NOT agree. Just shows you have no idea of what your talking about. He's the one complaining abot leagues and coaches... usually they come from nobodies that won nothing. And you know I'm right, must be why you had to jump in to answer for him. lol

Of course, you are free to tell us what you've done for pool as well. I'll wait, take your time.

Snooker Theory · Nov 6, 2019

ChicagoRJ said:
No, I would NOT agree. Just shows you have no idea of what your talking about. He's the one complaining abot leagues and coaches... usually they come from nobodies that won nothing. And you know I'm right, must be why you had to jump in to answer for him. lol

I am not demonizing anyone, please quote me where I am demonizing someone, lmfao

maybe you think you are a great promoter of pool because you sell chalk, I dunno.

is charging someone for a lesson promoting pool or themselves more, if you disagree with my opinion, well that must mean "you have no idea of what your talking about", cause only people who agree with you know what they are talking about right?

SBC · Nov 6, 2019

ChicagoRJ said:
Says the nobody that won nothing. Gosh, tell us more Mr. Expert pool player. when did you join the tour? what exactly have you ever done to promote or help the game of pool. I'll wait, take your time. LOL

I rebuilt a pool hall, literally from ashes....just for old timers and guys who can run out from everywhere. We hosted 5 open tournaments with top pros playing exhibitions free of charge to spectators in the room and online. Had SVB, Shaw, Strickland, Immonen, Hatch, Thorpe, Morra and Horliefson.

Other than that, nothing just like you. You have 50 times the posts I do so I guess that makes you sherriff around here.

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