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Is Cortland Linen Overrated? - 07-29-2016, 10:55 AM

I'm curious what cue builders with experience who have used Cortland Linen think? I'm not looking for players personal preference or for wraps on collector cues to maintain original styling.
  
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07-29-2016, 01:15 PM

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I'm curious what cue builders with experience who have used Cortland Linen think? I'm not looking for players personal preference or for wraps on collector cues to maintain original styling.
This is somewhat like asking if cue brand "x" is overrated - It all depends on what your goal is.

A cortland linen wrap is much different than current linen, but then, the way wraps are done
today makes them very different.

Cortland itself winds around a cue butt just like any other piece of string/cord does.

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07-29-2016, 01:52 PM

The customer determines if it is overrated, not the cue maker.

If the customer thinks it is overrated, they probably won't buy it.

The cue maker usually makes what the customer likes and will buy.

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07-29-2016, 01:57 PM

Let me try this again. If Cortland was invented today and had no historical relevance would it be the preferred linen used by cue builders over what is available today, assuming the cost was comparable.
  
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07-29-2016, 03:12 PM

I would prefer it as it has a different feel and is much more attractive than what is currently available.


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07-29-2016, 04:16 PM

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Let me try this again. If Cortland was invented today and had no historical relevance would it be the preferred linen used by cue builders over what is available today, assuming the cost was comparable.
I understood the first time. Lol
My answer is. If it was the white with lime green courtland. I would buy it.


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Pete Tas - 07-30-2016, 04:02 AM

I'm waiting for my cue from Pete Tascarella to come in some time in October, When talking to Pete and ordering back in January, I asked him about Cortland he said he was out of it and also said that he would challenge anyone to be able to tell the difference between Cortland and linen after he got don't installing them, Don't know if it's something he does in his process of installation but he said you cant tell the difference when he is done, Maybe something he does or not don't know,
  
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REAL Cortland linen - 07-30-2016, 07:02 AM

YES, there is a difference - REAL Cortland line was twisted 3 strands into a group of 3 threads by a process that required very different machinery. The result was a rounder linen thread and that produced a "smoother" feel when wrapped. All our current linen is twisted 2 X 3 and while it would not appear that it might make much difference it can, in the hands of a critical player. Unfortunately, the machinery to recreate the 3 X 3 type linen has all be scrapped.

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YES, there is a difference - REAL Cortland line was twisted 3 strands into a group of 3 threads by a process that required very different machinery. The result was a rounder linen thread and that produced a "smoother" feel when wrapped. All our current linen is twisted 2 X 3 and while it would not appear that it might make much difference it can, in the hands of a critical player. Unfortunately, the machinery to recreate the 3 X 3 type linen has all be scrapped.

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Good point(s).
Yes indeed - there was a difference between how The old fishing line was made
and the way current linen cord is made. And the line from the good old days is preferable
to me, but that alone doesn't mean it has to be superior.

To the OP,
I still think you are not asking the right question to get the info you seem to want

IMHO - the overwhelming issue for today's wraps vs Herman Rambow's wraps is
pressing and polishing - prior to the 60s or early 70s cuemakers just wrapped
the cord around the handle and handed you the cue back.

No filling, no pressing, no polishing.

There was a world of difference in the feel of the wrap due to the processing.

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08-02-2016, 02:39 PM

To answer some of the questions,

It is possible to finish linen to mimic the Cortland look, and if finished right, it also is very smooth, like Cortland. There are various methods; I've done it by hand. A lathe makes it easier.

The reason you see every Tasc cue with linen coming out looking like Cortland is that he applies a technique to make it so. This also goes for all the late Tad cues. They weren't Cortland, but they had the look of it. I'd be glad to go over the process by PM, but I'm not going to argue the subject.

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To answer some of the questions,

It is possible to finish linen to mimic the Cortland look, and if finished right, it also is very smooth, like Cortland. There are various methods; I've done it by hand. A lathe makes it easier.

The reason you see every Tasc cue with linen coming out looking like Cortland is that he applies a technique to make it so. This also goes for all the late Tad cues. They weren't Cortland, but they had the look of it. I'd be glad to go over the process by PM, but I'm not going to argue the subject.

All the best,
WW
IMHO - you are also thinking of wraps that are way too recent.

Cortland was NOT smooth. You could feel the individual turns of cord on the butt.

And most of all, it was intended to be absorbent.

The old-timer who first showed me how to wrap a cue said of the wrap that after
a good deal of use, "It'll feel just like a towel"

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08-07-2016, 03:56 AM

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IMHO - you are also thinking of wraps that are way too recent.

Cortland was NOT smooth. You could feel the individual turns of cord on the butt.

And most of all, it was intended to be absorbent.

The old-timer who first showed me how to wrap a cue said of the wrap that after
a good deal of use, "It'll feel just like a towel"

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It's only "not smooth" if the maker chooses it to be or doesnt know how to work it to be. It can be finished any way you like. Pete T is a great example. I lke Cortland but todays lnen when worked is just as dsireable to me for feel.


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It's only "not smooth" if the maker chooses it to be or doesnt know how to work it to be. It can be finished any way you like. Pete T is a great example. I lke Cortland but todays lnen when worked is just as dsireable to me for feel.
Which is a repitition of exactly what I have said in this thread(?) and about a dozen
other threads over the years, dealing with Irish Linen wraps.

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08-07-2016, 05:04 PM

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Which is a repitition of exactly what I have said in this thread(?) and about a dozen
other threads over the years, dealing with Irish Linen wraps.

Dale
Unfortunately I haven't read all of your posts... just commenting on the one I quoted.


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11-13-2019, 11:32 PM

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Let me try this again. If Cortland was AROUND today and had no historical relevance would it be the preferred linen.
YES
I know this an old thread, I didn't want to start a new thread for my question.

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is it - Pressed, Waxed, Polished, or Waxed, Pressed, Polished ?
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