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are these cushions dead? - 02-12-2018, 10:58 AM

this table is only 3 months old.
its a connelly san carlos
I have e mailed this video to connelly also.

seems I have to hit pretty firm to get a three rail shot.
I had assumed the noise was from this table having pretty narrow rails. But I am beginning to learn otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df7w...ature=youtu.be
  
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02-12-2018, 11:09 AM

WOW!! Deader than HulaHoop.
  
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02-12-2018, 11:10 AM

First check the rail bolts
...then the rubber, it should be pliable
...if rubber and rail bolts are okay, might be the glue holding the rubber


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02-12-2018, 11:35 AM

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First check the rail bolts
...then the rubber, it should be pliable
...if rubber and rail bolts are okay, might be the glue holding the rubber
This^^^. And could also be the cushion nose height is too high. To low would make balls jump on a firm shot. What kind of cloth is on it? The cue ball slows down rather quickly.


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02-12-2018, 11:52 AM

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this table is only 3 months old.
its a connelly san carlos
I have e mailed this video to connelly also.

seems I have to hit pretty firm to get a three rail shot.
I had assumed the noise was from this table having pretty narrow rails. But I am beginning to learn otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df7w...ature=youtu.be
Any response from Connelly?
  
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02-12-2018, 12:00 PM

Are we looking at the same thing? The rails look good to me. The ball seems to be bouncing normal to me.

It seems you are barely tossing it, and getting 3 sideways lengths. Use a cue stick, from the spot, go long ways, and you should get 4 lengths with a firm hit and minimal hop.

Edit: I had the sound off when I wrote this. With the sound on, it does sound not right, but the reaction still looks good, from the limited video anyway.
  
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02-12-2018, 12:14 PM

Something is loose and you are not getting the correct energy transfer.


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02-12-2018, 01:08 PM

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It seems you are barely tossing it, and getting 3 sideways lengths.
This was my first thought. You look like you are barely tossing it. Whip it across there and see how many you get. 4.5 rails is pretty good.

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02-12-2018, 01:20 PM

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WOW!! Deader than HulaHoop.
Not dead rails. Cloth ain’t stretched tight enough. You can see that the cue ball is instantly losing speed after the rail contact, not at rail contact.
  
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02-12-2018, 02:15 PM

its simonis860 cloth
bolts are super tight
the cloth seems to play well. getting good speed and action when on the play feild and off other balls
its the cushions that is slowing things down

cushion height is 1.5" (cant attach a pic? needs a hosting site to link to?)

second test a little harder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgnW...ature=youtu.be
  
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02-12-2018, 02:15 PM

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this table is only 3 months old.
its a connelly san carlos
I have e mailed this video to connelly also.

seems I have to hit pretty firm to get a three rail shot.
I had assumed the noise was from this table having pretty narrow rails. But I am beginning to learn otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df7w...ature=youtu.be
Hard to tell from the video how hard you are rolling the ball. If you roll it as hard as you can, you should get 4 lengths (down and back, down and back), or 4 widths (across and back, across and back). It honestly doesn't look like you're rolling the ball nearly as hard as you could.

Another test is at break speed, as if you're hitting a break shot, hitting the CB solidly, nearly as hard as you can, dead center english or a little below center, you should get 4-5 lengths (down, back, down, back, part ways down again).
  
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02-12-2018, 02:24 PM

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its simonis860 cloth
bolts are super tight
the cloth seems to play well. getting good speed and action when on the play feild and off other balls
its the cushions that is slowing things down

cushion height is 1.5" (cant attach a pic? needs a hosting site to link to?)

second test a little harder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgnW...ature=youtu.be
If the cushion nose height is 1.5", it is borderline high. I believe it should be between 1-3/8" to 1-7/16".
  
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02-12-2018, 02:33 PM

BCA Table specifications....

The speed of the table cushions should be such that placement of a ball on the head spot, shooting through the foot spot, using center ball english, with a level cue and firm stroke, the ball must travel a minimum of 4 to 4 ½ lengths of the table without jumping.

Cushion nose height

Here is the rail cushion nose height specification, as dictated by the WPA:
"Rail height (nose-line to table-bed) should be 63 ½% (+1 %) or between 62 ½% and 64 ½ % of the diameter of the ball."

So as stated above, about 1 7/16. Your installer may have shimmed the rails too high?


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02-12-2018, 02:41 PM

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its simonis860 cloth
bolts are super tight
the cloth seems to play well. getting good speed and action when on the play feild and off other balls
its the cushions that is slowing things down

cushion height is 1.5" (cant attach a pic? needs a hosting site to link to?)

second test a little harder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgnW...ature=youtu.be
Not just the rail bolts...all of them including feet.


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